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Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Monks are proficient with the club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shortspear, short sword, shuriken, siangham, sling, and spear. Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields. When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, a monk loses his AC bonus, as well as his fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.
These are the default monk weapons with which all normal monks are proficient with. There are ways to gain, or loose, proficiency with other monk weapons.
It has been asked before, no answer. Conservatively, since nothing says they DO get them, they only get CRB and weapons that specifically say the monk is proficient (Temple sword springs to mind).
An unarmed fighter, however, is very likely proficient in all of them. Yay, first printings.
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...are monks proficient in all "monk" weapons, just the ones in the CRB, or CRB + non-exotic "monk" weapons from other books?
(Relevant page or FAQ cites appreciated.)
Monks are proficient with all monk weapons. In order for them to only be proficient with the only from the CRB only there would have to be a reference excluding non CRB weapons.
PS:I did notice that nothing says monk are proficient with monk weapons, even the ones from the CRB.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Monks are proficient with the club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shortspear, short sword, shuriken, siangham, sling, and spear.
Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields.
When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, a monk loses his AC bonus, as well as his fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.
The rules do state that you can flurry with monk weapons, but if you go by strict RAW that does not mean you are proficient with them so if a CRB weapon gets changed to a monk weapon later, but the monk proficiency list is not changed then you still would not be proficient with it by RAW.
With all that said I think it was an oversight that "monk weapons" was not listed in the proficiency section.
In short I have no proof to offer. You can assume it is an oversight as I have or you can say monk have to buy proficiency with monk weapons from other books. Remember that monks would have to do this with any monk weapon outside of the CRB even if it was a simple or martial weapon since monks dont get simple and martial weapon proficiency, unless of course the weapon description specifically said the monk are proficient with it.
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Grr....
Paizo! Please hire me to re-write all this crap for the 5th printing!
(The one thing D&D 3.5 got very right in accessory splatbooks was including box-text denoting expanded applicability for new weapons, feats, etc. In Pathfinder we are faced with the incongruity of the Unarmed Fighter archetype being proficient with every monk weapon including exotics while monks themselves are not -- even though the Unarmed archetype's flavor-text says they'd rather not use weapons...duh-wha???)
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Grr....
Paizo! Please hire me to re-write all this crap for the 5th printing!
(The one thing D&D 3.5 got very right in accessory splatbooks was including box-text denoting expanded applicability for new weapons, feats, etc. In Pathfinder we are faced with the incongruity of the Unarmed Fighter archetype being proficient with every monk weapon including exotics while monks themselves are not -- even though the Unarmed archetype's flavor-text says they'd rather not use weapons...duh-wha???)
I am sure that monks were intended to have proficiency with all monk weapons, but the rules don't say so, and until I looked up your post I was sure they did. I will FAQ your post so that it gets errata'd. I will also FAQ my own post. I don't know if the devs read entire threads or just the FAQ'd post.