Serpentine Eidolon and Final Embrace

[quacktar]

Hello! I'm running my first society game soon, and a player asked this question:

Does the constrict eidolon evolution qualify it for Final Embrace? Evolution can change, but I'm inclined to allow it, on the obvious condition that if he ditches constrict, final embrace would be 'disabled' until he met the conditions again.

He would be basing his Society Summoner's Eidolon on Final Embrace, and I don't want to steer him wrong and have him end up 'wasting' feats satisfying the prerequisite if he can't use it.

Alternatively, is the serpent Eidolon 'serpentfolk' as stated in the feat prerequisite?

Thanks!

[Mark Garringer]

quacktar wrote:

Hello! I'm running my first society game soon, and a player asked this question:

Does the constrict eidolon evolution qualify it for Final Embrace? Evolution can change, but I'm inclined to allow it, on the obvious condition that if he ditches constrict, final embrace would be 'disabled' until he met the conditions again.

He would be basing his Society Summoner's Eidolon on Final Embrace, and I don't want to steer him wrong and have him end up 'wasting' feats satisfying the prerequisite if he can't use it.

Alternatively, is the serpent Eidolon 'serpentfolk' as stated in the feat prerequisite?

Thanks!

First, this is a rules question not a PFS question.

Second, the requirements for Final Embrace would appear to be met by an eidolon with the Constrict evolution (which requires the Grab evolution) as long as it's BAB is +3.

Third, if the eidolon were to lose some prerequisite that allowed it to take Final Embrace, it would not longer be able to use it.

[quacktar]

Mark Garringer wrote:

quacktar wrote:

Hello! I'm running my first society game soon, and a player asked this question:

Does the constrict eidolon evolution qualify it for Final Embrace? Evolution can change, but I'm inclined to allow it, on the obvious condition that if he ditches constrict, final embrace would be 'disabled' until he met the conditions again.

He would be basing his Society Summoner's Eidolon on Final Embrace, and I don't want to steer him wrong and have him end up 'wasting' feats satisfying the prerequisite if he can't use it.

Alternatively, is the serpent Eidolon 'serpentfolk' as stated in the feat prerequisite?

Thanks!

First, this is a rules question not a PFS question.

Second, the requirements for Final Embrace would appear to be met by an eidolon with the Constrict evolution (which requires the Grab evolution) as long as it's BAB is +3.

Third, if the eidolon were to lose some prerequisite that allowed it to take Final Embrace, it would not longer be able to use it.

I apologize if this was posted in the wrong place - because it is a Society Character, my GM judgement call on the issue wasn't the be all end all, so I wanted make sure. Thank you very much for your reply

[Ed Girallon Poe]

Can an Eidolon still take Final Embrace after the Errata?

[Saethori]

Are the forums haunted? There's a lot of necromancy as of late.

The prerequisites for Final Embrace state:

Final Embrace wrote:

Str 13, Int 3; naga, serpentfolk, or creature that has the constrict special attack as a racial ability; base attack bonus +3.

It's the third prerequisite that's the biggest issue here: "naga, serpentfolk, or creature that has the constrict special attack as a racial ability".

The eidolon is not a naga or a serpentfolk. (unless it had the ancestor subtype and its master was one of those... but then it would be disallowed from counting as one for this feat prerequisite anyways)
The eidolon has the constrict special attack... but it's not a racial ability. It was something granted to it, not an innate quality.

As such, no. It does not meet the prerequisites.