I think consensus is that it doesn't work. Feat requires character to be able to "cast" dimension door. Spells and spell-like abilities are the only ones that can be casted, incurring the usual penalties like provoking AoO and requiring concentration checks. Shift's a supernatural ability so doesn't qualify for feat, but can still be used easily in cases such as grapples and being adjacent to enemies.
I think you both missed the point of the question. It's not about whether or not it qualifies you to take the feat, it's whether or not you can take actions afterwards. I know that you can't take the feat until level 7 when you can actually cast dimension door.
Shift says it works like Dimension Door. How I see it is that the Dimensional Agility feat alters the way the dimension door spell works, so anything that works like dimension door must also be changed.
Sort of like how if A is defined as being equal to B, and you increase B, you must also increase A. You don't invalidate the relationship by changing one variable upon which another depends.
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Shift says "At 1st level, you can teleport to a nearby space as a swift action as if using dimension door."
Dimensional Agility says "After using abundant step or casting dimension door, you can take any actions..."
Given that Shift works as if the character were casting dimension door, and that a character with Dimensional Agility can take actions after casting dimension door, it seems the only logical answer is that Dimensional Agility permit actions after a Shift.
You do not use abundant step or cast dimension door, it is a supernatural ability that functions as dimension door in some respects.
By both RAW and RAI as well as a common sense for balance I would say it is not allowed, the requirements to qualify are the same as using it pretty much, I do not see why you think you can not qualify but at the same time think you can use the feat while the conditions are the same.
I think you both missed the point of the question. It's not about whether or not it qualifies you to take the feat, it's whether or not you can take actions afterwards. I know that you can't take the feat until level 7 when you can actually cast dimension door.
Shift says it works like Dimension Door. How I see it is that the Dimensional Agility feat alters the way the dimension door spell works, so anything that works like dimension door must also be changed.
Sort of like how if A is defined as being equal to B, and you increase B, you must also increase A. You don't invalidate the relationship by changing one variable upon which another depends.
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Shift says "At 1st level, you can teleport to a nearby space as a swift action as if using dimension door."
Dimensional Agility says "After using abundant step or casting dimension door, you can take any actions..."
Given that Shift works as if the character were casting dimension door, and that a character with Dimensional Agility can take actions after casting dimension door, it seems the only logical answer is that Dimensional Agility permit actions after a Shift.
In that case, it's a definite No.
Dimensional Agility just affects the action of using abundant step/casting dimension door so that user/caster can still act after teleporting. It even grants a +4 to concentration checks to cast all teleportation spells. Nothing in the feat description suggests changing the actual spell, and the feat description prerequisites put in specific limits on what situations would allow its use: supernatural effects acting like dimension door does not qualify for the feat or its effects.
If the RAW answer is the only thing interesting, then it must be a no, like more than one has already stated.
If you don't let the exact wording of the rules ruin your fun, I'd say that you can go ahead and allow it without any problems. As a GM I wouldn't have any problem with it.
While it is a neat ability, it won't breaking any balance. It adds decent mobility to your character, as you can get into position and cast your spells. It also adds a small bit of escapability, but in most circumstances you should be able to take a 5-ft step backwards, cast a spell, and then cast shift anyway, so it doesn't really change much.
The feat is decent, and very fitting for a teleportation specialist, but it will not make it to a list of required feats for any character.
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I'd house rule it. it makes sense, if your wizard already has Dimension Door, spent a feat on Dimensional Agility, and wants to shift and take an action, i'd let him.
You'll never get any leeway RAW because it doesn't satisfy the rules requirements as written. You'd have to house rule it for your game. But id call it fair.
I think the feat should be expanded.
Ah, okay. I tend to take an approach to the rules that attempts to understand what they're trying to express in the game world, as I find that more gratifying than a purely semantic approach. It just makes sense to me that a character who could take actions after a dimension door could take actions after things that worked like dimension door.
As a side note, I think that the Shift ability uses the phrase "used dimension door" totally by accident, and it was not the intent of the creators to specifically use the word "used" instead of "cast", and that those two terms mean the same thing when it comes to activating a spell - but I'm just going off of Pathfinder's history of sloppy mechanics text. Anyways, thanks for the input.
Completely valid to interpret it like that, though it is not intentionally balanced for the shift ability, I am not sure wether there are any loopholes in the use of the shift ability that could be exploited, but shift is essentially meant to be a weak power and would be wary to enhance it beyond it's intended purpose. If it was a 4th or 5th level spell that worked like dimension doorin most respects I would be less wary.
The 'using dimension door' is worded that way because shift is a (SU) effect rather than a - spell - which do not actually get cast.
Completely valid to interpret it like that, though it is not intentionally balanced for the shift ability, I am not sure wether there are any loopholes in the use of the shift ability, but shift is essentially meant to be a weak power and would be wary to enhance it beyond it's intended purpose. If it was a 4th or 5th level spell that worked like dimension doorin most respects I would be less wary.I confess that in the back of my mind, there was a little voice telling me it was too good - but I'm ignoring it because I want it to work. It's one of those things that would help you out only once in a while, but really save your bacon in a powerful way.
Shift has enough limitations (extremely short range [1/2 conjurer level in 5ft increments], must be able to *see* where you are teleporting, which many people forget about) that applying Dimensional Agility to it isn't all that game breaking.
Shift has enough limitations (extremely short range [1/2 conjurer level in 5ft increments], must be able to *see* where you are teleporting, which many people forget about) that applying Dimensional Agility to it isn't all that game breaking.
Compared to shooting an acid dart for 1d6+1 damage per 2 levels as a standard action ?
do you realize this thread was over 3 years old?
Yes, we obviously need to give conjuration wizards more awesome abilities since they are so underpowered as it is.
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Shift does not work with Dimensional Agility by RAW, and it shouldn't because it's just way way overpowered. It would basically mean wizards are now impossible to grapple and impossible to full attack.