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If this has been a post sorry, if it has not been done...then I am not.
Why do our werewolves do no claw damage? i mean i know there based on the animal type, and no claws=no claw damage in hybrid form.
But seriously???? a werewolf with out claws? the picture has them, we all know they ALWAYS have them. but basically they fight by running up, holding real tight and onyl trying to bite.
Like just seems silly.
This has bothered me for a long long time, a long time.
anyhow.
any suggestions as to why?
frustrating.
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Lol thanks guys. I will look up the old template, i have no idea where my books are. I realize that just because you have sharp claws they are not effective, however Can you honestly think of any werewolf in any game, movie, or tv show that did not have some kick ass claws. I just always saw the werewolf as an iconic creature, like a vampire, and i jsut feel that they got the short end of the stick.
I mean really i just find them pathetic and weak. I cannot be the only one.
Just have them take the Aspect of the Beast (Claws of the Beast) feat; lycanthropes qualify even without the wildshape class feature. As a benefit, the two claws are primary attacks useable in human and hybrid form; the hybrid form's bite seems to be a secondary attack, based on the stat blocks.
Just have them take the Aspect of the Beast (Claws of the Beast) feat; lycanthropes qualify even without the wildshape class feature. As a benefit, the two claws are primary attacks useable in human and hybrid form; the hybrid form's bite seems to be a secondary attack, based on the stat blocks.
The bite is secondary because in hybrid form the werewolf uses a longsword, if you use weapons all your natural attacks become secondary attacks.
I agree that werewolves are a bit lack luster. Nice work in aspect of the beast, looks like all wolves will that this one.
I think our stories screw us here since wolves and vamps always seem to be enemies, yet vamps kick the living crap out of wolves.
No love.
Sadly most Monster stories/movies try to turn the werewolf into a pack creature.
I HATE that... Packs Dilute the awesomeness of the creature. ONE werewolf should be a BEAST of a monster... and if you only have ONE then that's how it is.
If you have 25 werewolves running around... then at least 20 will be killed off screen and easily. I think the stats are more for the 'pack' version.
Never been big on the old "claw/claw/bite" routine for werewolves myself.
But admittedly less so on "Werewolf attacks with club and deals 1d6+3 damage".
*Wha???*
They should get some feat-centric bite moves that help them leap on you and tear out your throat with focused maw-related attacks, imo.
Claws for a wolf, even a hybrid wolf, are kinda lame, but significantly less so than a bloodthirsty werecreature (except a wererat) toting around a big stick to beat you with.
I think I agree with most of what's being said here...
I feel that the "standard" werewolf should be focused on natural attacks (especially the contracted version), because that's kind of what the myths and legends are about: a human going feral.
In my opinion, hybrid forms shouldn't be using weapons, at least not as a normal thing (they should be capable, but this would be similar to the Gorilla animal companion picking up a weapon.. not natural/normal).
However, I also feel that there should be the option for the single, terrifying, movie inspired monster of a werewolf.
This one would have Regeneration 5 (silver). It would only be able to transform into the Hybrid form (not animal), but it would be based on the Dire Wolf instead and include two claw attacks.
I think that would cover the "single deadly monster" well enough. Give it to a human with some levels in Fighter (savage warrior) and have fun.
The werewolf in our group does far more damage just
slamming into opponents like a football player does
into a tackling dummy. Now, when we were playing
Werewolf in the Whitewolf system, our werewolves
did extreme amounts of damage with claws.
I think I agree with most of what's being said here...
I feel that the "standard" werewolf should be focused on natural attacks (especially the contracted version), because that's kind of what the myths and legends are about: a human going feral.
In my opinion, hybrid forms shouldn't be using weapons, at least not as a normal thing (they should be capable, but this would be similar to the Gorilla animal companion picking up a weapon.. not natural/normal).However, I also feel that there should be the option for the single, terrifying, movie inspired monster of a werewolf.
This one would have Regeneration 5 (silver). It would only be able to transform into the Hybrid form (not animal), but it would be based on the Dire Wolf instead and include two claw attacks.
I think that would cover the "single deadly monster" well enough. Give it to a human with some levels in Fighter (savage warrior) and have fun.
Oooooh! Regeneration 5 (silver) sounds amazing. Why didn't I ever think of that?! Stolen. :o
I was thinking of the werewolf in Monster Squad.
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Well the standard werewolf shouldn't need or get claws. The just turn into a large aggressive wolf and gets that bite. Think more like an American Werewolf in London instead. No claws just a vicious bite and high stealth and speed and human level cunning.
The real issue is the Hybrid form which is a tack on from bad movies and needs to be treated as such. If you insist on adding that form into the mix then you need to take the basics it actually gives:
A bite (usually a secondary Attack 1D6 + 1/2 str)
Scent
Low Light
attribute boost (+2 Str +2 Con +2 Wis -2 Chr)
DR 10(5)/silver
+4 diplomacy bonus with it's type of animal.
To turn it into the nightmare creature you think it should be it only takes 4 feats and 1 monk level to do.
Feral Combat Style
Weapon Focus Bite
Boar Style
Now you have a nightmare critter that does multiple attacks a round all at D6 +str and inflicts nasty bleeding wounds if any 2 of them hit and is still able to use wapons if it chooses to.
Really anything under a 4th level character that meets this will die in one round (2 at the most).
This is just something we threw together in 5 minutes with a little thought, I'm sure others can build something much nastier with a little work.