Serious business.
Whoa! Hold on there buddy. This thread is the bastard child strawman of another threads alignment discussion. You aren't aloud to be serious here!! There could be children around!
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Whoa! Hold on there buddy. This thread is the bastard child strawman of another threads alignment discussion. You aren't aloud to be serious here!! There could be children around!
If there are young children about, I plan to sew their hands together and wear them as a tabard when I go to attack the group of paladins with my sack of infant +5.
Whoa! Hold on there buddy. This thread is the bastard child strawman of another threads alignment discussion. You aren't aloud to be serious here!! There could be children around!
Serious business.
I resent that, I built no straw men, good sir.
Example of good people binding demons to their will.
Subjugating another thinking race/person/animal is evil, even if said race/person/animal is itself evil.Also King Solomon, who, in rabbinical lore and apocryphal texts commanded demons (and include the first reference to one named Asmodeus!) using either his own wisdom, the mandate of God (who gave him dominion over all things, men, animals, demons and angels) or a magic ring named the Seal of Solomon, depending on the story. Various tales have him commanding demons to go off and fetch stuff, or being given tribute of precious stones by demons, and this was right and proper (although he also did lots of un-proper stuff, like having a child by a woman who wasn't one of his wives, twice, and turning to the worship of other gods).
I also remember the finish of Solomon's story. His hubris ultimately got the better of him and by the end of his reign, he turned fully evil and idolatrous, and was cursed by God saying that his kingdom would be riven during the reign of the son who would succeed him. While it's not stated specifically, I think he winds up in Hell.
So maybe there's something to the idea that using demons casually ultimately leads to corruption.
I think its more that the storytellers telling the story realized that sending him to heaven at the end would make him the paragon of all Mary Sues.
I mean, look at the plot points: Hundreds of hot wives? Check. Extra sexy action with the Queen of Sheba on the side? Check. Being smarter than the Queen's cleverest artisans? Check. More kewl magickal powerz than anyone in the whole wide world? Check.
If he died a saintly death surrounded by his wives and children and then went up to Heaven on top of it? The Mary Sue trope would have been named for him instead.
Having him be tempted by the devil and finally tossing his ring into the well in the corner of the grand mosque in Mecca makes him a lot more human, and the satisfying resolution is the same one used with Faust later--no one's certain where he went, since Heaven and Hell both had claims on him.
Note: killing creatures is not evil, as defined by the rules. Murder is, but not killing. Self-defense, sustenance, to protect others, to stop evil... all are valid reasons to kill as per RAW.
Um. No. Rules have already been quoted. Please quote a counterexample.
Here is LITERALLY all the entire core rulebook has to say on evil:
Evil implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.
Killing others. Not murder. No special proviso for self defense or about sentient creatures.
Please show me WITH THE RULES where your nonsense comes from.
Hey, keep quiet! I can't get my XP farms up and running in this thread with all this serious-toned blathering going on. Think of the babies!
Hey, keep quiet! I can't get my XP farms up and running in this thread with all this serious-toned blathering going on. Think of the babies!
With the stabalicious faces?
Man, moving this thread just killed it.
Hey, keep quiet! I can't get my XP farms up and running in this thread with all this serious-toned blathering going on. Think of the babies!With the stabalicious faces?
Naturally. Mmmmm ... expees ...
What if I want to run a paladin of the God of killing babies?
I have it on good authority that this "Pelor" cult masquerading as a NG sun gawd is secretly a demon lord/prince/whatever. Sounds good to me ... ;)
Man, moving this thread just killed it.Was it an Evil act then? And am I to blame for flagging it as in the wrong forum?
Oh yeah, definitely evil. And also kinda lawful. You were trying to keep the place properly categorized and orderly and what not.
...but wait! Killing is against the law! You just created a paradox by being both lawful and unlawful at the same time! But, aren't paradox's chaotic in nature? so...killing this thread was an act of CHAOS!
Then again...this thread was full of filth and vileness. And killing it was for the good of all mankind! SO logically, TOZ, your actions were CHAOTIC GOOD!