Well, you could take advantage of the Gestalt and the all 18's to play some of the more MAD classes. Combine them for more fun.
Monk/Magus for flurry of touch spells might be fun. You'd have good saves, a decent AC, mobility, a couple bonus feats, and some solid damage output.
Barbarian/Alchemist would get you some pretty crazy Strength.
Synthesist Summoner/Alchemist (Mindchemist) would let you have all your stats quite high.
Monk/Paladin for even more absurd saves and flurry of smites.
Fighter with any combat class. Fighter/Rogue, Fighter/Ranger, Fighter/Paladin. Take the fighter feat advantage and make it work for a class/build that might normally be feat starved.
Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.
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Never choose to build a 'counter character', or whatever you want to call it.
Instead, play your existing character, fueled by the hatred of drow. They might not be evil in your DM's world, but they're dicks to you. Voluntarily obey them, while becoming more inept over time at what you should be good at (if you're the Wizard, memorize poor spells because you "thought it would be a good idea"--speak convincingly as a player, if need be.) and maintain your character's quiet hatred until it can come to a proper fruition. Hopefully you can "forget" to heal someone, or have something you deem more important to do, while they lay dying.
Perhaps most importantly, be fair. If they cast a spell to read your thoughts, blatantly tell them your character is thinking about stabbing them, or whatever other flavorful imagery you can come up with. If they kill you for that, so be it. Die with a smile on your face.
It's fun to play a character who keeps their enemies closest.
It's not fun to play an awesome new character who dies quickly anyway, because the DM makes poor decisions. (The other probable route.)
Flurry of Shocking Grasp isn't legit, but Chill Touch is 1 charge per caster level. You could combine Spell Combat + Spellstrike + Flurry + ki point to potentially burn all 4 charges in a round.
As for not playing a human, you could just play a half-orc or half-elf. They generally tend to be nearly as good (or better) at most classes than a human. Or play something like a Tiefling or Aasimar. Aasimar Monk/Paladin would be pretty potent, and make a decent amount of sense from a roleplay perspective.
Play an Advanced Aasimiar Half-Dragon Monk/Rogue
If he's not applying a level adjustment to Advanced Drow Nobles, then he shouldn't apply them to a Half Dragon. Hell, I'm pretty sure you can stack multiple Half templates. An Advanced Half Dragon (gold), Half Celestial Aasimar Paladin/Monk would be a badass.
Play an Advanced Aasimiar Half-Dragon Monk/RogueI don't think I've got enough levels to do that. That's +3...well maybe I do huh...that would be fun.
Flurry of Blows + Sneak Attack is insanity. And with 18s in your beginning stats, you have 30, 22, 28, 24, 24, 26 before any items are applied.
Flurry of Blows + Sneak Attack is insanity. And with 18s in your beginning stats, you have 30, 22, 28, 24, 24, 26 before any items are applied.Play an Advanced Aasimiar Half-Dragon Monk/RogueI don't think I've got enough levels to do that. That's +3...well maybe I do huh...that would be fun.That's pretty awesome, but the majority of his enemies are constructs. he loves constructs.
But, I may go with it just for the awesome implications. And while he SHOULDN'T apply it, he probably will. It's just so poorly written for Drow Noble, they got away with it.
in Pathfinder, you can sneak attack a construct
and yes, by rules you can stack multiple half-templates. Half-Dragon/Celestial/Fiend, although there are printed CR adjustments for them.
If he insists on adding a penalty, then "Gestalt" the adjustment with another race with an adjustment? I like my Half-Dragon, Half-Celestial idea, lol.
Str 30
Dex 20
Con 26
Int 22
Wis 24
Cha 26
+5 NA, Darkvision, Low Light Vision, fly (60), +4 on saves vs poison, resist acid 10, cold 10, electricity 10. Fire immunity, DR 5/magic, SR, claw claw bite, breath weapon, immunity to sleep and paralysis.
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Play Cleric up to 7th level.
Alignment
LN / CN / N or any evil alignment
- Get a Candle of invocation (save the gold for it) if he is going lite on gold. Spells you need are Magic circle against Good (bind option) and Dimensional Anchor. Use them with the candle (gate option) to gate in 13 HD Noble Vizier (Noble Djinn) C-G alignment. He will be trapped in the circle. They grant three wishes to any being (nongenies only) who captures them.
Wish
1. ask for another candle
2. ?
3. ?
*** Just remember to stay under the window of using a wish to produce greater effects. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment, at the GM's discretion.)
SRD:Candle of Invocation
Aura strong conjuration; CL 17th
Slot —; Price 8,400 gp; Weight 1/2 lb.
Candle of Invocation: Each of these special tapers is dedicated to one of the nine alignments. Simply burning the candle generates a favorable aura for the individual so doing if the candle’s alignment matches that of the character. Characters of the same alignment as the burning candle add a +2 morale bonus on attack rolls, saving throws, and skill checks while within 30 feet of the flame.
A cleric whose alignment matches the candle’s operates as if two levels higher for purposes of determining spells per day if he burns the candle during or just prior to his spell preparation time. He can even cast spells normally unavailable to him, as if he were of that higher level, but only so long as the candle continues to burn. Except in special cases (see below), a candle burns for 4 hours.
Here is the important part
In addition, burning a candle also allows the owner to cast a gate spell, the respondent being of the same alignment as the candle, but the taper is immediately consumed in the process. It is possible to extinguish the candle simply by blowing it out, so users often place it in a lantern to protect it from drafts and the like. Doing this doesn’t interfere with its magical properties.
if you want to be a dick with gestalt, take 2 prestige classes from 3.5 that are made for multiclassing the same thing.
However I would just try to have fun, I believe that game will run to an pretty fast, because allowed munchkinism doesn't make much fun. However it will probably be a lesson well learned at the end.
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Also a very good suggestion. But they don't "need" my character in any way. My damage output doesn't do enough on its own to make them worry about not having me around. My healing doesn't bother them as they have an Oracle/Cleric heal battery sitting around...they find traps, etc. It's a party of 6 as it is. My character can't really put them into a situation like that, and is more likely to end up in that situation himself.
And the off-hand of leading them to their deaths is probably not likely either. But then-again, once a bad guy has been fully introduced, I'm sure I'll be given a chance to do something.
I don't really want to build a counter-character, but I am curious to see what builds are up here in case I do. I have a higher HD advantage and a much higher gold advantage. But NOTHING is preventing them from taking it from me.
A gestalt party of 6 characters with uberstats and a GM that selectively breaks rules?
You should do something better: anything else.
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Sounds like IC bullying to me. They are using their characters to basically treat you like dirt.
There is a simple procedure that you should go through.
1) Speak to your GM. It's his job to make sure that everybody is having fun after all. Explain that you feel that the two new characters are basically acting like jerks and the only reason that you have not acted until this point is that you don't want to start PvP. If he tells you to sort it out IC then warn him that he might not like your actions.
2) If the GM tells you to sort it out IC. Wait until they are asleep. Shocking Grasp Coup de Grace. I don't care how tough you are, you aint surviving that on anything less than a 20.
3) Alternatively, if you are playing a good character just leave and take all their stuff with you. Then sell their equipment and give the money to an orphanage.
4) If you are playing a Lawful Good character have the Drow arrested for assault.
Don't try to out arms race them. It never works.
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The thing is... there's no *settling* this argument.
Your dm thinks they shouldn't have a level adjustment. Or maybe he doesn't want to go back through and tell everyone to subtract levels.
You (and the devs) think they should have one.
A difference of opinion can be discussed, but you can never prove one opinion over another. If your dm ignores the sources you cite, then don't count on winning this fight.
My first suggestion, as far as cheese goes, would be to involve the reincarnate spell. Just toss it in with some trite rp reason.
Then you can max out your mental stats, and reincarnate as whatever you want. Note that the reincarnate chart has a roll of 100 as being Other(GM's choice), so pick the race you want and bring it to the table. After all, you're dm'ing the creation of your character.
And I do mean ANY race. Perhaps some kind of demon. Drow do, after all, worship demons. Really. It says so in the bestiary.
The marilith demon looks like a good choice for the reincarnate spell. It's cr 17... but reincarnate doesn't change your cr.
Or possibly a matured Nabasu demon. Let's assume... the maximum of 20 growth points.
That would be +20 to pretty much all the rolls, +10 to natural armor, sr, and it gains the advanced and giant simple templates.
Of course, this isn't min-maxing so much as shoving the book over a pinball game and making it squeal. But hey, why not? :p
Lazy GM.
GMs should carefully consider any monster PCs in their groups. Some creatures are simply not suitable for play as PCs, due to their powers or role in the game. As monster characters progress, GMs should closely monitor whether such characters are disruptive or abusive to the rules and modify them as needed to improve play.
That should be all you need.
Advanced Aasimar Werewolf.
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As a bored game that was meant to be between three people, we started a Gestalt game. Our GM is experienced and just wants us to have fun, even adding in extra boons that normal characters shouldn't get, giving us all 18's and allow Flaws for extra feats and even gives us traits. That's awesome, right? Right.
For me? No not really awesome but some people really like those types of games meh. This is however, thread number 123456789 where a game that allowed Drow noble PCs caused a player to run to the forums asking what to do. I dont know what it is about Drow noble PCs. I am not sure anyone has had positive experiences with DNs but that's an entirely different topic.
I'm going to come at this the same way I would any group. It sounds like these guys are having a joke at your expense. If the players and GM do not care that your PC is gimped and make a running joke of it, you may need to find another game. I dont recommend giving them a "taste of their own medicine."
How well do you know them? Maybe this is a simple misunderstanding and you arrived at the game with a character built for what you thought was an entirely different game? If so, I say rebuild and go for it. I can see some people having a good laugh about the "slave" thing but from your post I cant tell if it was a table wide joke, yourself included, or a table of gamers treating the odd man out like a crap.
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As a bored game that was meant to be between three people, we started a Gestalt game. Our GM is experienced and just wants us to have fun, even adding in extra boons that normal characters shouldn't get, giving us all 18's and allow Flaws for extra feats and even gives us traits. That's awesome, right? Right.
Sounds like you might be best waiting for the "experiment" to end. Wait for them to start a serious game again and jump back in.
Drow noble isn't really a PC race at all (and I don't think the rules are poorly written).
This game sounds like an overpowered train wreck no matter the GM's level of experience. I'd quit it in a heartbeat.
Advanced Aasimar Werewolf.
Paladin/Sorcerer - Dragon Disciple!
Drow noble isn't really a PC race at all (and I don't think the rules are poorly written).
This game sounds like an overpowered train wreck no matter the GM's level of experience. I'd quit it in a heartbeat.
Well in the other game I've played with this DM, he's pretty well known for basically not caring enough and just letting things go. The newcomers aren't in any games that I run and I won't let them be, but he lets them in his. So what happens is, if I make a mistake, I get belittled and told I'm wrong, but when they are wrong, they won't admit it and the DM simply won't get involved, so it makes for a difficult game. However, they're having fun and most of them are still my friends and I would like to enjoy the game as well. So like I said, I'm not trying to outdo them as much as join in on the fun that I apparently am missing.
I'm sure it sounds like more headache than it's worth, but I'm going to at least attempt it. So here is the build I have made completely cheesy.
** spoiler omitted **
That is suitably ridiculous, yes.
I remember that candle from 3.x I'm shocked they didn't fix it. That's another useful item to remember. Hehe.
There is an entire debate thread with several ideas on how the idea is almost impossible to stop without metagaming by the GM. Unless the GM really knows the rules he is out of luck.
I can already see the GM arguing that what you have done and what they are doing is different because drow noble is a PC race in the bestiary.
You should just be a drow noble too. Or ask him what else you can be and bring up the half-dragon, and then half-celestial, and then both. Just showing up with this character might not earn you the desired reaction.
I'm just saying that you are arguing on the side of logic versus people who are illogical. If you try to appeal to them by being illogical, expect them to react illogically. The only way to win is not to play.
Bring nacho Chips and wine cause this game soungd realy cheesey
Very simple answer: Find a Game Group who are worth playing with...
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If you aren't going to be a drow noble, you could always fight fire with fire and play an Aasimar cleric with the Sun domain and taking items that let you cast daylight as many times a day as possible. Also, improved intiative feats and traits. Try to go first every battle and cast daylight, then recast as necessary until every battlefield is bright and sunny.
I kinda got hooked to this munchkin galore - how did it turn out?