Ordered mine earlier as well, Pathfinder version. Also picked up the original S&W rules as well (LOVE the cover). Somewhat tempted to get the S&W version of ToH:Complete as well for the lairs but I think the PDF will have to suffice.
Thanks for the reminder... ordered.
Just ordered! Can't access pdf though.
Just ordered! Can't access pdf though.
The pdf will become available when the books are, sometime in August, I believe.
Just ordered! Can't access pdf though.The pdf will become available when the books are, sometime in August, I believe.
Yeah guys, I'll need time to hyperlink this bad boy for the PDF and I'm only one guy here!
You could rent a freight cargo ship, it should be enough to transport it to the docks and then a heavy truck to your door. Assuming you have a forklift in you house to move it around once you have it. :)
But make sure to have an extra room be built for accomodating it *grins*
And, you know, shipping would be only half again as much as the price for the book. C'mon!
I know this is a lot to ask, but any possibility of posting a sample of what the S&W version has that the PF version lacks? If it is sufficiently cool I may just pony up for the S&W version too. Else I'll probably just settle for the PF version I've already ordered.
I know this is a lot to ask, but any possibility of posting a sample of what the S&W version has that the PF version lacks? If it is sufficiently cool I may just pony up for the S&W version too. Else I'll probably just settle for the PF version I've already ordered.
I believe you will be able to obtain a pdf of the additional content found in the S&W version if you purchased only the PFRPG version. It just won't be in the book.
Not that I want to turn you off of the S&W version; but then I would want to recommend the rules book too, which also is available from Frog God Games.
I know this is a lot to ask, but any possibility of posting a sample of what the S&W version has that the PF version lacks? If it is sufficiently cool I may just pony up for the S&W version too. Else I'll probably just settle for the PF version I've already ordered.I believe you will be able to obtain a pdf of the additional content found in the S&W version if you purchased only the PFRPG version. It just won't be in the book.
Not that I want to turn you off of the S&W version; but then I would want to recommend the rules book too, which also is available from Frog God Games.
Yep, the PF version does come with a PDF. But... I'm somewhat attracted to running S&W anyhow and if the extra content is sufficiently cool -- something I need to know before the door closes today -- that'll probably push me towards picking up the S&W version of the ToH:Complete as well. As for the S&W rules book, I'll probably regret it, but I picked up the prior version -- the cover appealed to me more and I wanted it on my shelf, whereas the new version I'd be happy with just a PDF.
Yep, the PF version does come with a PDF. But... I'm somewhat attracted to running S&W anyhow and if the extra content is sufficiently cool -- something I need to know before the door closes today -- that'll probably push me towards picking up the S&W version of the ToH:Complete as well. As for the S&W rules book, I'll probably regret it, but I picked up the prior version -- the cover appealed to me more and I wanted it on my shelf, whereas the new version I'd be happy with just a PDF.I know this is a lot to ask, but any possibility of posting a sample of what the S&W version has that the PF version lacks? If it is sufficiently cool I may just pony up for the S&W version too. Else I'll probably just settle for the PF version I've already ordered.I believe you will be able to obtain a pdf of the additional content found in the S&W version if you purchased only the PFRPG version. It just won't be in the book.
Not that I want to turn you off of the S&W version; but then I would want to recommend the rules book too, which also is available from Frog God Games.
Ah well, you don't need the newer version then. Carry on. :D
Ah well, you don't need the newer version then. Carry on. :D
Not to derail the thread, but... really? The newer version isn't that big a change? I hadn't seriously compared the two, just knew I wanted to snag a copy of the Black Blade version before they were all sold out.
Ah well, you don't need the newer version then. Carry on. :DNot to derail the thread, but... really? The newer version isn't that big a change? I hadn't seriously compared the two, just knew I wanted to snag a copy of the Black Blade version before they were all sold out.
I have really only seen this newest one. It is very well done. Matt Finch sure can write rules that don't sound like a dry text book. It takes perhaps 5 minutes to create a new character and was real easy to reference for adventure creation. I would recommend it along with the S&W version of the tome.
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The biggest difference between Swords & Wizardry: Complete Rulebook and S&W: Core Rules is that in the Complete Rulebook there are a LOT more classes given, in the Core Rules it's just the basic four. White Box simplifies it even more, as it treats race as the class for elven or dwarven characters. For me, the Complete Rulebook hits the sweet spot. It's almost akin to 1E, only a bit less rigid and formalized.
PDF versions of the Core Rules and White Box versions can be downloaded for free from the Mythmere Games Lulu store. There's also the Monster Book, another book that adds over 450 monsters for S&W (With very little overlap with the ToH, I believe). Between those two monster books, you have just about every monster you would ever need.
Ah well, you don't need the newer version then. Carry on. :DNot to derail the thread, but... really? The newer version isn't that big a change? I hadn't seriously compared the two, just knew I wanted to snag a copy of the Black Blade version before they were all sold out.
It adds quite a bit from the original.
Here's the place where there are people who can quickly answer your question.
Or Kthulhu can tell you. ;)
Here's the Lair entry for the Salt Drake as a sample.
The salt flats that surround the city of fire are home to a few roving bands of salt drakes. The drakes spend their days lazing in shallow burrows and their nights prowling about the flats hunting the stony, terrestrial crabs that also survived the destruction of their shallow sea by meteor storm. A clutch of 1d4+1 one of the beasts has been preying on the lines of bearers transporting stones across the flats to the mountains for the construction of aqueducts. The salt drakes recently hit the jackpot, seizing a prince of the blood royal who has crept away to adventure in the mountains, having heard stories of daring battles against dragons. The young moron has been tucked into a burrow and kept under guard by a sinuous female drake. His father has only recently gotten wind of his son’s disappearance and has promised a rich reward for any who bring him back alive.
Enjoy!
Dark Sasha, Kthulhu, and FGG Chuck: Thanks a ton for the insight into S&W core vs. complete and the excellent review. Also thanks for the Salt Drake lair entry... Given there'll be many of those and that I may play S&W it may just be worth going with the S&W version as well.
I ordered the PF version but will probably pick up the S&W PDF in the future. Can't wait to see this tome. I may need to buy a new book case though...
I ordered the PF version but will probably pick up the S&W PDF in the future. Can't wait to see this tome. I may need to buy a new book case though...
I want to put mine on a book podium that is usually reserved for unabridged dictionaries and other such reference materials. :)
Grr Pay Pal, think My card might have charged by FGG website and my paypal account dinged. What's the best way to shoot Bill Webb an email? A link on the FGG website?
Email him directly: bill (at) talesofthefroggod (dot) com.
Grr Pay Pal, think My card might have charged by FGG website and my paypal account dinged. What's the best way to shoot Bill Webb an email? A link on the FGG website?Email him directly: bill (at) talesofthefroggod (dot) com.
Fyi I questioned the apparent double billing the first time I ordered something from Frog God. It wasn't a double bill, just a double reciept. Sounds like this might be the same thing here.
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Fyi I questioned the apparent double billing the first time I ordered something from Frog God. It wasn't a double bill, just a double reciept. Sounds like this might be the same thing here.
Yeah after checking the 3 emails I received about the purchase I figured that could be it and I'd wait and see if a 2nd charge popped up. Glad I decided to check this thread this morning. I thought I'd deleted that post once I decided to wait and see.
I ordered a second copy. I put a note in the paypal transaction to add it to my existing order. Hopefully everything will be OK... I should have two PF TOH books coming...
I ordered a second copy. I put a note in the paypal transaction to add it to my existing order. Hopefully everything will be OK... I should have two PF TOH books coming...
Just be careful not to store them too close together. If you do their mass might combine and thus be sufficient to begin a chain reaction and become a star. And that isnt the sort of thing you want on your gamming shelf.
I ordered a second copy. I put a note in the paypal transaction to add it to my existing order. Hopefully everything will be OK... I should have two PF TOH books coming...Just be careful not to store them too close together. If you do their mass might combine and thus be sufficient to begin a chain reaction and become a star. And that isnt the sort of thing you want on your gamming shelf.
Not just a star. But a Star of Horrors.
Not just a star. But a Star of Horrors.I ordered a second copy. I put a note in the paypal transaction to add it to my existing order. Hopefully everything will be OK... I should have two PF TOH books coming...Just be careful not to store them too close together. If you do their mass might combine and thus be sufficient to begin a chain reaction and become a star. And that isnt the sort of thing you want on your gamming shelf.
Similar to Azathoth, but on a bad day.
I guess the preorder cut-off was extended, just ordered mine as well.
I guess the preorder cut-off was extended, just ordered mine as well.
perhaps not turned off yet. someone should inform his high frogginess.
I nominate Chuck!
I guess the preorder cut-off was extended, just ordered mine as well.perhaps not turned off yet. someone should inform his high frogginess.
I nominate Chuck!
I hope that doesn’t mean he refunds everyone who preordered past the 5th, but that he just adds those orders, instead.
Already ordered (before the deadline) a copy for myself and a buddy. I'll order a second copy for myself (3 total) if we extend the deadline to the 11th...
:)
I guess the preorder cut-off was extended, just ordered mine as well.perhaps not turned off yet. someone should inform his high frogginess.
I nominate Chuck!
But you saw this 2 hours before I did, dagnabbit.
Brian, email me...
Bill
Done!
Arg! That'll teach me to go on vacation over the 4th! One more day!
Clark, or any other employee, I purchased this yesterday (6th) as the option was still on the website.
From what I understand, someone forgot to take down the ability to preorder. Does that mean I will be refunded my money or will I still receive my book?
Thanks.
Clark, or any other employee, I purchased this yesterday (6th) as the option was still on the website.
From what I understand, someone forgot to take down the ability to preorder. Does that mean I will be refunded my money or will I still receive my book?
Thanks.
From what I can tell you are on the list to get a tome. But it is Bill Webb who can confirm this as he is the CEO of Frog God Games and is the one taking care of orders. While Tome of Horrors Complete is a Necromancer book it is Frog God Games that is responsible for remaking the Tome.
Clark has graciously allowed this to happen but was not directly involved in the conversions, editing, publishing and layout of this book. You will also see quite a few monsters created or revised by Clark for the original Tomes I, II, & III. Clark has his own new company now, Legendary Games, and we are all waiting to see what awesome things will be coming out of the talented group of people he has assembled.