How does cleric and bard have less healing than wizard and cleric?
I would point out that even with just core you have lots of the good battlefield control spells as a bard too.
It not that Bard/ Cleric has less wiz/Cleric. I Just that is has less than Striaght Cleric that Scares me.
The Bard/Cleric colud have more than the Wiz/ Cleric. For sure.
How does cleric and bard have less healing than wizard and cleric?
I would point out that even with just core you have lots of the good battlefield control spells as a bard too.
It not that Bard/ Cleric has less wiz/Cleric. I Just that is has less than Striaght Cleric that Scares me.
The Bard/Cleric colud have more than the Wiz/ Cleric. For sure.
That certainly makes more sense to me now. I'm mainly looking at it as the OP has stated he wants to do this -- now how do we do it with the least amount of pain and maximum amount of good? I'm of the opinion that the bard/cleric has the most to offer to the party with the least pain between points of awesome. Something to consider is the fact that the bard levels means less worry about healing from the cleric spell list -- after all you have healing spells as a bard so you can prepare and use more cleric spells for battle intensive stuff... ironically this works in reverse too since you have cleric spells you know you can heal with you don't have to feel bad about using the perfect bard spell for the situation because you know you still have slots to fall back on to heal (or channel energy).
Another slight advantage is the fact that since you'll have charisma for the bard spells anyways you are also helping your channel energy too.
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Teafling (Asura-Spawn +2Dex +2Wis -2Int)
cleric/bard/MT
Teafling (Demon-Spawn +2Dex +2Cha -Int)
cleric/bard/Mt
Of the two Asura-Spawn is probly better of the to. And focus on divine caster DC.
Teafling (Oni-Spawn +2Str +2Wis -2Cha)
cleric/wizard/MT
The only teafling with a +2Int is -2Wis. So your best one is +2Wis -2Cha. And then focus on divine caster DC.
Teafling (Rakshasa-Spawn +2Dex +2Cha -2Wis)
bard.
calagnar -- we are not flinging tea -- we are talking about teiflings.
Hm... limited to core...
0th level: prestidigitation, detect magic, mage hand, mending, message
1st level: cure light wounds, grease, feather fall, sleep (early), unseen servant (later)
2nd level: pyrotechnics, Glitterdust, mirror image, silence, heroism (early), blur (later)
3rd level: good hope, haste, slow, crushing despair, dispel magic
4th level: dimension Door, greater invisibility, summon monster 4, freedom of movement, greater invisibility
5th level: greater dispel magic, song of discord (possible), mass suggestion, mind fog
6th level: heroes feast, summon monster 6, greater shout (fall back damage), geas/quest, mass charm monster
I of course like a lot of the later spells in the APG and ultimate magic better -- however those are great starters for a bard. There are better situational choices -- it comes down to what you are going to want to use on a regular basis. For your bard side pick spells you'll want to use often -- use your cleric side to fill in the odd gaps with spells you might use.
why so many spells clerics can cast?
Partial to free up cleric slots -- remember that my cleric spells are going to have to be chosen each day... my bard spells are not. As such I choose spells I am highly likely to want to cast so that I don't have to choose them as a cleric.
That leaves me free to choose different spells from my clerical list. Part of it is also the fact that those are some of my favorite bard spells -- they work and work well... so why not take what works?
The ones that I notice that a cleric can cast are:
Cure light wounds, silence, dispel magic, summon monster 4, freedom of movement, greater dispel magic, heroes feast (this is one I could probably do without) summon monster 6, geas/quest.
Of those dispel magic, summon monster 4, greater dispel magic and summon monster 6 are spells just about anyone can cast... so to be fair those aren't any more "cleric" spells than they are "universal spells".
This leaves my clerical list to include stuff like the following:
hide from undead, magic stone, obscuring mist, calm emotions, darkness, find traps, remove paralysis, resist energy, spiritual weapon, daylight, deeper darkness, invisibility purge, magic circle of protection, magic vestment, prayer, stone shape, wind wall, air walk, "alignment bashing" (holy word/whatever), dimensional anchor, death ward, greater command, dispel alignment, greater command, flame strike, righteous might, symbol of sleep, wall of stone, true seeing.
Basically put I'm supplementing my clerical duties, and grabbing abilities my clerical spells won't cover.
NOW IF I had access to other books, such as APG and UM then the spell lists would probably look very different.