barbarian with the archtypes of invulnerable rager and savage barbarian would work
I noticed that this thread kind of dried up.
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Lyrax wrote: LazarX wrote: But that's the classic trope, you don't get to bed the Amazon until you defeat her somehow. Yeah, the idea of a man proving his worth to a woman so that he can marry her is a tale older than dirt. Or at least it's probably older than writing.
The notes may have changed, but this looks like a variation on the same tune. Fixed to add entertaining link.
Not a huge fan of RS, but pics of her show her with a longsword, sometimes a longsword and a dagger, and sometimes a scimitar. I imagine she fights with whatever blade she finds (a common enough trope).
I'd probably go TWF barbarian, with some fighter levels to help with the feats.
Ive seen her with a battle axe.
I agree two weapon fighting, or her rage may make up for the penalty...
cant say for sure
Lord Fyre wrote: I noticed that this thread kind of dried up. I'm not sure what more there is to say. TWF Barbarian or Barbarian/Fighter sounds about right.
Steelfiredragon wrote: Ive seen her with a battle axe. Frank Cho cover.
Lord Fyre wrote: Steelfiredragon wrote: Ive seen her with a battle axe. Frank Cho cover.
That looks to my like she has the Monkey Grip feat, which was a feat available in 3.0 that let you use large weapons with only one hand.
I once had a PC with that feat, who dual-wielded great axes. She didn't do so very often, because she had to eat -7 to hit penalties for the privilege. But it was one way to clear the riff-raff from a room.
the movement fighter archtype would work
Outstanding Link, Lord Fyre! (http://old.enworld.org/Inzeladun/conan/redsonja/sonja.htm)
Thank you so very much. It was incredibly helpful.
Sorry the thread "dried up." I busted up my knee waterskiing and spent a great deal of time in physical rehab this summer (2011).
UGM
UGM wrote: Outstanding Link, Lord Fyre! (http://old.enworld.org/Inzeladun/conan/redsonja/sonja.htm)
Thank you so very much. It was incredibly helpful.
Sorry the thread "dried up." I busted up my knee waterskiing and spent a great deal of time in physical rehab this summer (2011).
UGM
Okay. I figured that the tread dried up because we had "covered" the subject pretty completely. :)
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Actually if you were going for the ORIGINAL Red Sonja of Rogatine, she'd be a gunslinger. who'd fight sword and pistol style. or just two pistols.
Lord Fyre wrote:
Okay. I figured that the tread dried up because we had "covered" the subject pretty completely. :)
Indeed you have--and my wife has called just called me a "pig" and then said, "....prepare to die!" after my making her "Red Sonja" based character for her.
She then quoted the movie Gamers: Dorkness Rising by telling me that the bikini mail armor, "...looks like it chafes."
I guess she prefers her Red Sonja to wear clothes...she wants to kick butt like Red Sonja, but do it while looking like the historical Joan of Arc.
Too bad. I was hoping for some Red Sonja T&A pictures to occupy me during the course of our gaming this fall.
UGM
LazarX wrote: Actually if you were going for the ORIGINAL Red Sonja of Rogatine, she'd be a gunslinger. who'd fight sword and pistol style. or just two pistols. Her companion would be a drunken cavalier.
UGM wrote: Lord Fyre wrote:
Okay. I figured that the tread dried up because we had "covered" the subject pretty completely. :)
Indeed you have--and my wife has called just called me a "pig" and then said, "....prepare to die!" after my making her "Red Sonja" based character for her. Making her character for her was your first mistake. She needed to be much more involved in the process to both make sure that you understood what she wanted and that the result would be a character that she would understand.
UGM wrote: I guess she prefers her Red Sonja to wear clothes...she wants to kick butt like Red Sonja, but do it while looking like the historical Joan of Arc. There is a whole thread on this subject, b.t.w.
UGM wrote: Too bad. I was hoping for some Red Sonja T&A pictures to occupy me during the course of our gaming this fall. Ah, but it is HER charcter.
When you started this thread, I got the impression that she was much more on board with this. I was even hoping that she might be making comments on this thread herself.
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UGM wrote: Lord Fyre wrote:
Okay. I figured that the tread dried up because we had "covered" the subject pretty completely. :)
Indeed you have--and my wife has called just called me a "pig" and then said, "....prepare to die!" after my making her "Red Sonja" based character for her.
She then quoted the movie Gamers: Dorkness Rising by telling me that the bikini mail armor, "...looks like it chafes."
I guess she prefers her Red Sonja to wear clothes...she wants to kick butt like Red Sonja, but do it while looking like the historical Joan of Arc.
Too bad. I was hoping for some Red Sonja T&A pictures to occupy me during the course of our gaming this fall.
UGM The idea was to make HER character, not your wish fulfillment wet dream.
Perhaps you should give her the opportunity to build YOUR character next time.
LazarX wrote: UGM wrote: Lord Fyre wrote:
Okay. I figured that the tread dried up because we had "covered" the subject pretty completely. :)
Indeed you have--and my wife has called just called me a "pig" and then said, "....prepare to die!" after my making her "Red Sonja" based character for her.
She then quoted the movie Gamers: Dorkness Rising by telling me that the bikini mail armor, "...looks like it chafes."
I guess she prefers her Red Sonja to wear clothes...she wants to kick butt like Red Sonja, but do it while looking like the historical Joan of Arc.
Too bad. I was hoping for some Red Sonja T&A pictures to occupy me during the course of our gaming this fall.
UGM The idea was to make HER character, not your wish fulfillment wet dream.
Perhaps you should give her the opportunity to build YOUR character next time. Did I not just say that?
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She's going to need a potion of Resist Chafing.
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Lvl 12 Procrastinator wrote: She's going to need a potion of Resist Chafing. Or, you know, glamered armor. Glamered full plate that looks like chainmail bikini, for example. She'll really have abs of steel, that she-devil :) .
Utgardloki wrote: Creating a Red Sonja character is easy:
* Put on a metal bikini
* Cast a remove personality spell.
Seriously, she would pretty much be a straight Barbarian or Fighter, depending on whether you're going off the novels or the movie. (I haven't read many of the comic books, but they probably contradict each other.) You probably could do a Barbarian/Fighter.
About Charisma, I don't know if Red Sonja really had that much Charisma, especially if you're in a campaign like my homebrew of Audor where the GM kept stressing "Charisma is [u]not[/u] beauty."
Red Sonja is certainly very beautiful, and as a DM I offered an "Extraordinary Beauty" feat that granted bonuses when dealing with the opposite sex. Ask your GM about that.
I think especially if you go off the movie she would have a low Charisma score, since the movie version had her not very sociable and rather distant and aloof. From the novels, it is harder to judge her Charisma score but considerin that my comment above is based on the novels, I'd say her Charisma score is rather low.
If you go by the movie version, she actually wore armor that would be sensible for a Barbarian to wear, but then you lose the Warrior in a Bikini factor. If you maximize Dexterity and max out skills that carry an armor check penalty such as Acrobatics, then you have an excuse to minimize the armor you wear. Get yourself bracers of armor and then you don't really have a reason to wear any armor, since it doesn't stack.
(In fact, the iconic barbarian in the core rulebook has a pretty big gap in her coverage. It's as if she is wearing as much armor as she can without incurring penalties, but wearing it on her arms and legs.)
i has a house rule with brawling: every non-monk player deal a 1d3 at 1st with fist and 1d4 (both nonlethal damage) with kicks
level punch kick
4th d4 d6
8th d6 d8
12th d8 d10
16th d10 d10
20th d10 d10
also i give to my players (even the monk) 1 base ac bonus every 4th level
level base ac
1sth 10
4th 11
8th 12
12th 13
16th 14
20th 15
and the monster use them boths too (with hd, but theyre change every 6 hd)
I would probably make Sonja lvl6:
This gives her two attacks, BAB +6/+1, Armor training, Weapon training, Bravery +2 and 8 feats and 1 ability score increase.
I would next chose some allround feats, since Sonja is a generalist, no one trick pony: Alertness, Athletic, Combat Expertise and Dodge (could explain her good AC), Mounted Combat, Power Attack, Cleave and Great Cleave.
Compared to most opponents she meets, she would be the best warrior they have ever met. Remember that she mostly fights low level thugs, warriors, guards, ...
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If you don't mind throwing out a lot of seriousness for your campaign (and using a third-party v.3.5 supplement) there's always E.N. Armoury - Chainmail Bikini. Keep your tongue planted firmly in your cheek while reading it.
That said, I just ran through this thread, and never having known much about Red Sonja (since I never saw the movie or read any of her stories or comics), I'm pretty fascinated by the discussion of Sonja's oath, both in terms of what it actually demands of her, and how she deals with it.
In terms of making her as a Pathfinder character, though, this strikes me as one of those cases where the source material is pretty well open to interpretation, particularly in a game that assumes a generous helping of magic items for characters.
If you read through, you would see that this thread should be allowed to die. :(
I would base the character on Howard's Red Sonya of Rogatino. Make her a gunslinger.
Quick Note as to what we ended up with since our game was put off until archetypes were introduced so I created Red Sonja as shown below and that character is working great! First, some notes to put the build in context.
There are some really cool feat combinations that gave this character some awesome role playing crunch like the FEARLESS CURIOSITY feat chain or combat effectiveness in terms of Sword/Archery/Mounted Combat. In the end we went with a mounted combat feat chain and archery, despite our DM's (GM?!?) "blatant bias" ;-) towards players selecting racial feat chains for role playing reasons.
We're also permitted two traits which must come from different lists (combat, social, etc.) and, since we actually started the game at 7th level I took my standard "Reactionary" for a +2 to Initiative and "Dangerously Curious" to get a +1 to the skill Use Magic Device and to make UMD a class skill. If we had to start at 1st level I'd have switched "reactionary" with the original Adventurer's Armory version of "Heirloom Weapon (Bow)" or (if our DM wasn't such a killer) "charming" for role playing purposes.
Finally, the character was based upon Dynamite "re-imagining" of Red Sonja which down plays the "idiotic man hating must beat me in combat for sex because the gawd Sasquatch (or whatever...) said, “...after my family was killed and I survived a rape...” BS to a beautiful, wild woman who was dragged from her home to marry a decadent king whom she subsequently killed, fled her country, hid in a steppes tribe where she found her favored class and has been a hunter, rogue, sailor, soldier, scout, thief, treasure hunter...adventurer ever since.
Sometimes she sneaks home to see her folks and siblings. She's popular as a "Robin Hood" type in her own little village, otherwise her fame is as fleeting as her crew runs from the authorities from region to region--it's just the rumors of a wild red haired adventurer that a few bards might sing about...but she's never been a queen as in the Queen Sonja series of comics and she's never lead "Armies" of anything. With Charisma as her "dump stat," she never will. Charisma isn't physical beauty or "Comeliness" as previously discussed...
Perhaps a squad of skirmishers, thieves or adventurers in the future, maybe? The leadership Feat is BANNED in our games.
Our Red Sonja is an okay team player with "lawful" (an eye for an eye, you kidnap me, I'll kill you) good alignment. Red Sonja is Human with Our DM's assigned Heroic Campaign Stats 17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12 were originally distributed thus:
STR 16, DEX 17, CON 14, INT 13, WIS 15, CHA 12
Now she’s 14th level and has a base AC of 31. She can raise that to AC37 in one round of prep and push that to AC 41 with expenditure of Ki points.
Her base mounted bow attack (six arrows) (while doing a FULL move action) is +20 (x2), +20, +15, +15, +10. She can chose to shoot SEVEN arrows: +18(x2), +18, +18, +13, +13, +8. Her bow attacks when afoot or standing still are +2 to each number in each sequence above. Her base damage with her bow is 1d8+8 without enhanced ammo or spells. Critical threat is 19-20 and the arrows do x3 crits. She also has the DEADLY AIM and CLUSTERED SHOT FEATS.
Her base melee attack mounted (while doing a FULL move action) is +18/+18/+13/+13/+8 without additional enhancement. Base damage is 1d10+6 with a critical threat of 19-20 for x3 crits. She also has the POWER ATTACK FEAT.
Here’s the build:
LEVEL 1: Ranger~Wild Stalker 1: provides the following class abilities: Strong Senses (low light vision), track and wild empathy.
FEATS Human Bonus--Improved Initiative; First level--Deadly Aim
LEVEL 2: Ranger~Wild Stalker 2: gives us Uncanny Dodge! (Very Red Sonja...)
LEVEL 3: Monk~Sohei 1: gives us a Bonus feat, flurry of blows, Devoted Guardian (initiative bonus), Unarmored AC Bonus and unarmed strike.
FEATS: 3rd level--Point Blank Shot; Monk Bonus--Mounted Combat.
LEVEL 4: Monk~Sohei 2: gives us another Bonus feat and evasion. We put our first attribute bump into DEX, bring that up to an 18 for a +4.
FEAT: Monk Bonus--Mounted Archery.
LEVEL 5: Monk~Sohei 3: gives us maneuver training and still mind.
FEAT: Precise Shot.
LEVEL 6: Monk~Sohei 4: now gets the Ki Pool, Monastic Mount and Ki Weapon.
LEVEL 7: Monk~Sohei 5: High jump (Not much happening at this level...although it IS cool when a mounted archer clears the castle wall and is raining death down upon the hapless in the castle courtyard while her horse gets a full move along the parapet to the winch house to raise the portcullis...yeah, that was cool...)
FEAT: Rapid Shot.
LEVEL 8: Monk~Sohei 6: Weapons Training in Bows group! Unlike the Zen Archer archetype where the use of Many Shot and Rapid Shot are specifically excluded--no such exclusion exists for the sohei monk. “Say ‘ello to my little friend...Red (aka Machine-gun Molly). Second attribute bump to Wisdom. So +3 adjustment now.
FEAT: Monk Bonus--Trick Riding.
LEVEL 9: Monk~Sohei 7: Ki pool adds cold iron and silver as possibilities and Wholeness of Body (meh, crap healing for the price imho).
FEAT: Many Shot.
LEVEL 10: Monk~Sohei 8: got nothing but a bump to BAB, flurry and saves.
LEVEL 11: Monk~Sohei 9: Picked up Improved Evasion.
FEAT: Clustered Shots.
LEVEL 12: Monk~Sohei 10: Monk bonus feat, Ki Pool now includes “lawful.” Attack and damage rolls on Bows group selected at level 8 is now +2! Third attribute bump to INT...just because it’s now the only odd one out.
FEAT: Monk Bonus--Mounted Skirmisher. This is where she rocks, flurry of bow shots from mount, so FULL attack PLUS FULL move. Machine-gun Molly does a drive by...and due to the Mounted Archery feat + Weapon Training’s bonus means Red is shooting as she rides by with NO negative modifiers to her SIX shots!!!
LEVEL 13: Monk~Sohei 11: Got nothing but a flurry bump.
FEAT: Power Attack. (...in anticipation of her next level--getting to that “she-devil with a sword” title, soon...)
LEVEL 14: Monk~Sohei 12: Weapons Training in Monk’s weapons group just to get the swords (Butterfly Sword, Nine-ring Broadsword (x3 crits) and the Temple Sword (which has the EXACT same stats as the long sword, well, other than weight (3lbs v. 4lbs) and initial cost (30gp v. 15gp)--Red SNEERS at the seven bladed sword...) If I could have selected Heavy Blades for a sohei, I would--then again if we could no one would ever play a fighter again.
And that’s where we are at right now. As soon as a full-caster hits 16th level--the game ends. So I might take my 15th level as a fighter or Barbarian (maybe even Paladin...) as another level of monk gets me nothing but a +1 bump on Bows (to +3 Attack and Damage from +2) and another level of ranger gets me the Endurance feat.
So, as to my earlier claims in the previous post:
Her AC is Celestial Armor (pg. 465 Core) under quilted cloth (APG pg 179-180) which gives her a +10 AC and a DR of 3/- vs. small ranged piercing projectiles (APG pg 179).
She also has a +4 Ring of Protection, a +3 amulet of natural armor and her DEX modifier of +4 for a BASE AC of 31, which she can bump to 35 with a point from her key pool.
She uses her UMD and a wand of Shielding made by a 10 level npc wizard she knows to give herself another +4 shield bonus for 10 minutes if the fight looks really nasty, bringing her to AC39.
Finally, she has a wand of Cat’s Grace made by the same wizard to give her a +4 DEX (so an additional +2 to AC) to push her to AC41 for 10 minutes with each charge. She uses that wand more as it also increased a bunch of skills, her attack roll with her bow and Cat’s Grace is a Ranger spell, so no UMD roll is required as Wild Stalker is a Ranger archetype.
Other magic:
+3 Composite Longbow (built for STR 16) so +3 enchanted bonus to hit / +3 enchanted bonus to damage, +3 STR bonus to damage. The bow has yet to be enchanted with any additional abilities. Red has spent her money on booze and boys, apparently.
Additional Wands: Wand of Grease, Wand of Mount, Wand of Gravity Bow, Wand of Cure Light Wounds, Wand of Pyrotechnics, Wand of Bear’s Endurance, Wand of Cat’s Grace, Wand of Bull’s Strength.
3 Efficient Quivers.
Boots and Cloak of Elvenkind
Unfettered Shirt
Handy Haversack
+3 dagger
+3 Temple Sword
Greater Hat of Disguise
Bracer’s of Falcon’s Aim
and numerous potions, scrolls, ammo and cheap, “slot-less” wondrous items.
That does it. If any of you posted 3+ years ago, my thanks.
UGM
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