Tech I think they do but I can understand a rule call ofvno.
They can only do a move action and can't make attacks of opportunity, but it doesn't specify that they don't threaten. ???
They can only do a move action and can't make attacks of opportunity, but it doesn't specify that they don't threaten. ???
Heh, if RAW says they can only move and can't make an AoO, then I'd have to rule that by RAW they don't "threaten" and as such, don't flank.
Tech I think they do but I can understand a rule call ofvno.
Seconded. The rule doesn't say they no longer threaten their area, but they can't make Attacks of Opportunity, which is a benefit of threatening an area.
Logic suggests no, but unclear RAW says yes.
If someone is in total defense and an enemy starts running circles around them i would give them an AOO. just because he is defending doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a sword (or whatever) to poke someone with.
If someone is in total defense and an enemy starts running circles around them i would give them an AOO. just because he is defending doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a sword (or whatever) to poke someone with.
Well, you are directly contradicting RAW here, and in my opinion needlessly so. Since you could only do that if you were the GM you would have lots of options other than having someone run in circles around someone, in fact I can't see any reason whatsoever that anyone would do that, so I can't see how this scenario would actually play out.
Certainly not in any campaign I was running.
Well... The flanking rules is meant to simulate that the target is trying to divide his attention between BOTH sides right?
Doe the target KNOW that one of his oppents has NO intention of attacking?
I'd say that the target would still FEEL threatened by the full defense guy, thus opening the +2 hole in his defense for the ACTUAL threatening guy...
I was thinking along phantom1592's lines as well. But then there are spells like Unwitting Ally which give you a +2 to hit when one of your enemy's allies is on the other side, without the spell target either attacking or being perceived as an attacker.
Sense Motive?
Also, any round the guy can switch to a different action, ie attack.
When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
You can defend yourself as a standard action. You get a +4 dodge bonus to your AC for 1 round. Your AC improves at the start of this action. You can't combine total defense with fighting defensively or with the benefit of the Combat Expertise feat. You can't make attacks of opportunity while using total defense.
So, total defense isn't tied to threatening squares -- it just says you can't make attacks of opportunity in the squares you threaten (or any attacks of opportunity at all, more completely). Flanking is tied to threatening squares, not the ability to make an attack of opportunity in those squares.
So surprisingly yes, you can flank while taking the full defense action. You just need to be able to threaten squares.
Threatened Squares
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.
You threaten the squares into which you can make a melee attack. If you can't attack, you don't threaten.
Is there any specific difference between 'can't' attack, and 'don't' attack?
the only thing saying you can't make an attack that round is because YOU chose to focus on defense...
If you 'chose' to attack someone else...
if you 'chose' to drink a potions...
if you 'chose' to delay an action...
You are unable to attack THAT square... it doesn't mean people lose you for a flanking partner.
Bad guy's still keeping one eye on you...
You threaten the squares into which you can make a melee attack. If you can't attack, you don't threaten.Threatened Squares
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.
Who says you can't make a melee attack?
If some ability causes you to be able to take 2 standard actions, you can make a melee attack while using a total defense action.
In fact, if something grants you an extra standard action on your turn, you could take a total defense action first and then a full attack action.
The only thing total defense does is stop AoOs. And typically it eats your offensive actions by using a standard action.
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You threaten the squares into which you can make a melee attack. If you can't attack, you don't threaten.Threatened Squares
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.
If this logic holds, then once you've made your allotted number of OAs in a round, you cease to help anyone flank for the rest of the round.
So a cavalier using the Order of the Dragon's act as one ability will not grant extra attacks for his party if they've all taken the total defense action?