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Just as the subject says. I wasn't sure if this was covered in any of the material, but given how intertwined humans and halflings have been throughout the course of Golarion's history, I'm sure it's come up.
I have a player whose PC is currently stuck in a love triangle with his recent halfling lover and his returned childhood love. Due to some of his family history, the notion of having children is important to him and will influence his decision.
Thanks.
And it should stay that way. The idea of mixed breed threequarterlings is disgusting and entirely unVarisian.
Half-orcs and humans can have kids. Half-elves and humans can have kids. Why not halflings?
Get it?
Heh...
...you get it, right? It's like, halflings are half human.
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I've always thought it the height of dumbness that only elves and humans could have kids.
For mechanics sake, I'd say that a Human / Halfing offspring has either the full Traits as a human (who's short for a person) or the full Traits of a halfling (who's tall for a hobbit).
That way you don't have to mix the Racial Traits of Human and Halfling.
It's reminding me of pedophilia for some reason...
For mechanics sake, I'd say that a Human / Halfing offspring has either the full Traits as a human (who's short for a person) or the full Traits of a halfling (who's tall for a hobbit).
That way you don't have to mix the Racial Traits of Human and Halfling.
Sorta OT but I had figured that this was usually how it worked for cross-racial/species reproduction in a fantasy setting like Golarion. I usually run it as "the boys take after the father racially, and the girls the mother."
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Frankly, given the vast array of half-foo templates that exist (not yet in Pathfinder, and maybe never, we can only hope), I've always assumed that any species that could fit its wee-wee (whatever form that takes) into the hoo-hoo (whatever form THAT takes) of another species could create offspring.
So, yes, half-halfling, half-rune giants would be possible with the right genital combination (and probably some good spelunking gear on the part of the halfling)! Half-human/half-halfing? They're just short humans, man!
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For mechanics sake, I'd say that a Human / Halfing offspring has either the full Traits as a human (who's short for a person) or the full Traits of a halfling (who's tall for a hobbit).
That way you don't have to mix the Racial Traits of Human and Halfling.
That's how I'd work it as well. Save the trouble of creating new half-races by just handwaving it and saying that all children of halfling / human pairings are either halflings or humans (with the mother determining the race).
There is a feat in the APG that allows humans to have something in their lineage that lets them count as some other kind of humanoid (i.e. dwarf, halfling).
I would think this wouldn't be a bad way to represent a half-race that you don't want to fully stat up. It may also represent the fact that not every child of humans and other humanoids gets its own set of unique traits the way half-elves and half-orcs do.
I know in the past it was strongly intimated that dwarves do not have children with humans in Golarion, but unless the feat in question is non-canonical for the world, it would seem that there may indeed be more cross fertility than originally assumed.
Unless the feat is only meant to represent someone whose forbears were magically mated with a normally non-fertile other humanoid race.
It's reminding me of pedophilia for some reason...
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. I thought Rosie, Sam's wife from the end of the LOTR movies, was pretty hot. Just because she was half the height of a human woman, didn't mean she looked like a child.
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It's reminding me of pedophilia for some reason...I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. I though Rosie, Sam's wife from the end of the LOTR movies, was pretty hot. Just because she was half the height of a human woman, didn't mean she looked like a child.
I heartily recommend everyone watch midget porn at least once.
I heartily recommend everyone watch midget porn at least once.
I . . . um . . . ahem . . . while I wouldn't automatically recommend that course of action, I will say that I always thought that Meredith Eaton was a very attractive actress.
Disclaimer: This is in no way to imply that Meredith Eaton has ever done porn movies, I was just looking for some kind of exit strategy.
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This is the kind of rail-jump that encourages me to go with quasi-compatibility.
If they can't interbreed, halflings are pretty much fetish-fuel, being child-sized hookers who can't get pregnant.
If they can interbreed, halflings and humans can have stable family relationships and a non-creepy storyline involving halfling / human relations can exist.
In the Kaer Maga sourcebook is hinted that the various mixed couples living in the city would be quite interested in obtaining a magical method to procreate - so I think that this means no, at least right now.
Correct. In the Inner Sea region, humans and halflings can't interbreed. Magic can solve everything, of course, but unless you want to spend your all-powerful wish on making babies--and hey, maybe some people will--you're sort of out of luck in that regard.
That said, there are plenty of orphans that could use a home. Adoption FTW!
Of course, this is only for the canon. Do whatever you want in your home game. If you want to break down all barriers of race and/or biology--rock and roll.
If they can't interbreed, halflings are pretty much fetish-fuel, being child-sized hookers who can't get pregnant.
And they've got such little hands!
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i'm sure James has said that halflings and humans can't breed
If he didn't before, he does now.
Halfings and humans can't have babies. (OR if they did, the offspring would just be humans or halflings, not a brand new race. Which/how that works we leave up to individual GMs.)
The game has enough half-races already.
This would be a perfect point to introduce quarter-races, like a "quarterling" :)
Just kidding, of course. I agree wholeheartedly on there already being enough half-races (and half-templates.. Half-Vampire, I'm looking at you!)
What James is actually telling us is that halflings are already a half-breed themselves; a confusing and improbable mixture of human and pixie lineage!
This thread has once more (unnecessarily) reminded me of my policy to never mix genetics and fantasy gaming :)
Game stats aside, the logistic involved would not be easy. It would almost have to be a human female and halfling male pairing. It is very unlikely a halfling woman could survive having or even carrying a child fathered by a human. I mean if you are looking 50/50 chance of it being human, infant and mother fatality rate would be large in a halfling mother.
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i'm sure James has said that halflings and humans can't breedIf he didn't before, he does now.
Halfings and humans can't have babies. (OR if they did, the offspring would just be humans or halflings, not a brand new race. Which/how that works we leave up to individual GMs.)
The game has enough half-races already.
Besides, "Quarterlings" would be a silly name for a race.
In the Kaer Maga sourcebook is hinted that the various mixed couples living in the city would be quite interested in obtaining a magical method to procreate - so I think that this means no, at least right now.Correct. In the Inner Sea region, humans and halflings can't interbreed. Magic can solve everything, of course, but unless you want to spend your all-powerful wish on making babies--and hey, maybe some people will--you're sort of out of luck in that regard.
That said, there are plenty of orphans that could use a home. Adoption FTW
Oh, there's a much cheaper option. Get a Demon Mother's Mask. Spend a few extra gold pieces to break the "must worship Lamashtu" security protection the standard model comes with. You now have an item that lets you breed with anything within one size category of yourself. Yes, this means that a human with the mask could breed with a horse and a halfling with the mask could breed with the cat--and you can do that if that's what floats your boat--but it also means that humans and halflings could use it to conceive children, who would either be three-quarterlings, or possibly were-halfling/were-humans, able to change their size.
Want to defray the cost of the mask? Set yourself up as a midwife. Go around to mixed-race couples who want to conceive. Rent them the mask on some sliding scale of ability to pay. The mask costs 3600 GP, with I think an extra 100 to break the "Lamashtu only" security protection. Call that 3700. Assuming you're charging only 10 GP for a night's use of the mask, it pays for itself in a year and a day.
In the Kaer Maga sourcebook is hinted that the various mixed couples living in the city would be quite interested in obtaining a magical method to procreate - so I think that this means no, at least right now.Correct. In the Inner Sea region, humans and halflings can't interbreed. Magic can solve everything, of course, but unless you want to spend your all-powerful wish on making babies--and hey, maybe some people will--you're sort of out of luck in that regard.
That said, there are plenty of orphans that could use a home. Adoption FTW
Oh, there's a much cheaper option. Get a Demon Mother's Mask. Spend a few extra gold pieces to break the "must worship Lamashtu" security protection the standard model comes with. You now have an item that lets you breed with anything within one size category of yourself. Yes, this means that a human with the mask could breed with a horse and a halfling with the mask could breed with the cat--and you can do that if that's what floats your boat--but it also means that humans and halflings could use it to conceive children, who would either be three-quarterlings, or possibly were-halfling/were-humans, able to change their size.
Want to defray the cost of the mask? Set yourself up as a midwife. Go around to mixed-race couples who want to conceive. Rent them the mask on some sliding scale of ability to pay. The mask costs 3600 GP, with I think an extra 100 to break the "Lamashtu only" security protection. Call that 3700. Assuming you're charging only 10 GP for a night's use of the mask, it pays for itself in a year and a day.
Oh, Man! My next character is totally going to be a were-halfling. It hurts my brain trying to think what the hybrid form is.
Oh, Man! My next character is totally going to be a were-halfling. It hurts my brain trying to think what the hybrid form is.
A Wolf-ling?
A Wolf-ling?
Oh, Man! My next character is totally going to be a were-halfling. It hurts my brain trying to think what the hybrid form is.
Only if you start mixing in the Elfquest genetic history. Though that's totally doable with the Demon Mother's Mask.
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Oh, there's a much cheaper option. Get a Demon Mother's Mask.
Who's the sick guy or gal at Paizo who came up with this? :)
Besides, "Quarterlings" would be a silly name for a race.
I think you mean threequarterlings. A quarterling is when a halfling breeds with a zeroling.
Oh, Man! My next character is totally going to be a were-halfling. It hurts my brain trying to think what the hybrid form is.
I think the Hybrid form is a Dwarf....
All that aside, I just saw a recent Taboo show about Normal humans, who have a thing for people who have dwarfism. It's really kind of creepy, not because dwarves are creepy but most of the people they show with a thing for dwarves came off very creepy. Also they can concieve children, its just dangerous to a dwarf mother.... and you can get either normal sized or dwarf children so I'd personally rule it that way. Just doesn't make sense that humans and dragons, and demons, and Angels can all interbreed with nearly everything except the all exclusive list of halfling, and dwarf.
Ps. Dwarf is one Id almost consider being ok to say that they cant interbreed, but only because dwarves have a hard enough time having children on their own due to their biology. In the end though, id probably allow it, since overall all of these races work on the same physical reproduction cycle. Now lizardfolk and kobolds and the like? Different story, though it does beg the question how Dragons interbreed with EVERYTHING, and yet still have eggs.... Wait I dont actually wanna know...
What James is actually telling us is that halflings are already a half-breed themselves; a confusing and improbable mixture of human and pixie lineage!
That's not what I'm getting. I understand they're a full race, not related to humans any more than any other bipedal humanoid is. Gnoll? Yes, the cosmetic differences are few, but they're still themselves not human. At all.
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What James is actually telling us is that halflings are already a half-breed themselves; a confusing and improbable mixture of human and pixie lineage!That's not what I'm getting. I understand they're a full race, not related to humans any more than any other bipedal humanoid is. Gnoll? Yes, the cosmetic differences are few, but they're still themselves not human. At all.
I think you missed the humorous quality of his post. ;)
Why are we still talking about this? It's gross! Gross, gross, gross! Eeewww! You're all a bunch of pervy hobbit fanciers!
One of my characters mistakingly murdered a human halfling fancier in Kaer Maga, thinking he was a pedophile. I blame the halfling in the party that pointed their coupling out to him.
Kyuk, kyuk, kyuk.
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It's reminding me of pedophilia for some reason...
Having flashbacks about the Hero having Sex with Kender in the Spelljammer Cloakmaster Cycle are we?
One of TSRs less than stellar descents into no-mans-land.
There is a reason my Human NPCs refer to the sight of Half Elf Offspring as 'Plague Elf' and put them in cages.
It's reminding me of pedophilia for some reason...
When I read this, I heard it in a voice like Eeyore's from Winnie the Pooh. That, combined with your avatar, made for some LOLs.
But anyway, I've always thought it was weird that certain races could intermarry (orc/human, elf/human) but not others. What about all these?
orc/elf
orc/halfling
orc/dwarf
elf/dwarf
elf/halfling
dwarf/human
dwarf/halfling
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In my original turnover for the Rival Guide, I think two members of the Kodar Kneecappers were written as being "half-dwarves" (human-dwarf crossbreeds). In the final version, they are just dwarves, so it may be that there ain't no such thang in Golarion. Ah well. :)
In my original turnover for the Rival Guide, I think two members of the Kodar Kneecappers were written as being "half-dwarves" (human-dwarf crossbreeds). In the final version, they are just dwarves, so it may be that there ain't no such thang in Golarion. Ah well. :)
No half-dwarves in Golarion. The genes just don't match up. I guess you can keep trying if you want, though... O_o
Heh, in my Reavers on the Seas of Fate campaign (set in Riddleport), we have a halfling rogue/assassin who's Lavender Lil's boyfriend. No kids yet but it's not for lack of trying! Heck, it's all so sweet that Nocticula's recruiting them.
Half-orcs and humans can have kids. Half-elves and humans can have kids. Why not halflings?
Get it?
Heh...
...you get it, right? It's like, halflings are half human.
I'm not sure what saddens me more. The fact that yes I do get it or the fact I laughed SO hard I caused a distubence in my logic and design class.
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Half-orcs and humans can have kids. Half-elves and humans can have kids. Why not halflings?
Get it?
Heh...
...you get it, right? It's like, halflings are half human.I'm not sure what saddens me more. The fact that yes I do get it or the fact I laughed SO hard I caused a distubence in my logic and design class.
Well done little kobold, very well done.
Logic & Design? What would that one be about?
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It's reminding me of pedophilia for some reason...When I read this, I heard it in a voice like Eeyore's from Winnie the Pooh. That, combined with your avatar, made for some LOLs.
But anyway, I've always thought it was weird that certain races could intermarry (orc/human, elf/human) but not others. What about all these?
orc/elf
orc/halfling
orc/dwarf
elf/dwarf
elf/halfling
dwarf/human
dwarf/halfling
Elf + Orc = Midden Elf
Elf + Human = Plague ElfElf + Troll = Bog Elf
Elf + Halfing = Gelfling