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can you make a trip attack with a weapon with that doesnt have the trip ability
This doesn't exactly answer your question, but is on-topic. From the FAQ:
No. Note that when making a trip combat maneuver, you don't need to use a weapon at all--for example, you can trip when you're unarmed, even though unarmed strike isn't listed as a trip weapon.
There are advantages to using a weapon with the trip special feature (a.k.a. a "trip weapon") when making a trip combat maneuver. One, if your trip attack fails by 10 or more, you can drop the trip weapon instead of being knocked prone. Two, you can apply the weapon's enhancement bonus, weapon-specific attack bonuses such as Weapon Focus, and so on to your trip combat maneuver roll.
For example, you'd add the enhancement bonus from a +5 whip to your trip combat maneuver roll because a whip is a trip weapon. You wouldn't add the enhancement bonus from a +5 longsword to your trip combat maneuver roll because a longsword is not a trip weapon. In effect, there's no difference between making an unarmed trip attempt and a trip attempt with a +5 longsword because the sword doesn't help you make the trip attempt. (emphasis added)
—Sean K Reynolds, 03/15/11
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This doesn't exactly answer your question, but is on-topic. From the FAQ:
** spoiler omitted **
"In effect, there's no difference between making an unarmed trip attempt and a trip attempt with a +5 longsword because the sword doesn't help you make the trip attempt."
Awww... but I want to use the longsword in making the trip attempt... and I'm pretty sure it'll help! I mean, if they lose the leg below the knees, I think that'll trip them up... ;-)
But yeah, that entry kinda says it. You can use the trip maneuver on a person, the biggest advantage is with the weapon having the trip feature... you can drop the weapon if you fail badly.
... the biggest advantage is with the weapon having the trip feature... you can drop the weapon if you fail badly.
Well, that and you can apply any feats or bonus that effect a trip weapon to your CMB.