Do you have strong feelings about it? I find it irritating. In these financially difficult times, it seems to me, an uncouth American, that the monarchy is a parasite on the people of Britain.
Do you have strong feelings about it? I find it irritating. In these financially difficult times, it seems to me, an uncouth American, that the monarchy is a parasite on the people of Britain.
I care absolutely nothing about it. I mostly find it irritating because I cannot escape it. Its on the news, people are talking about it (though most dislike it apparently), i'm sure skywriting is next.
Congratulations, You can spend a couple of million getting married and i'm not allowed (gay). yay for you. *golfclap*
Do you have strong feelings about it? I find it irritating. In these financially difficult times, it seems to me, an uncouth American, that the monarchy is a parasite on the people of Britain.
I could not disagree more. The problems that England has would quickly be solved if they gave the Queen back actual power. Right now the Queen is just a really rich, famous, but powerless woman. If she had her power restored to her, and the true head of the state and church, then she could very quickly solve England's financial and moral problems. I would abolish the House of Common's and the Prime Minister immeaditely. I would, of course, leave the House of Lords and give them back real power.
Remember the fate of Charles I!
Congratulations, You can spend a couple of million getting married and i'm not allowed (gay). yay for you.
I did not even consider that. I fully support your right to marry whom you wish.
I could not disagree more.
I suddenly have more respect for you. You had been just a shy too subtle in the past.
When I was in high school, there was a talent show where one of the kids played the piece that Cleese used for that bit. (Rachmaninoff? I forget.)
I think I ruined it for everyone by reciting the history of the Lord Protector. Hee hee!
Congratulations, You can spend a couple of million getting married and i'm not allowed (gay). yay for you.I did not even consider that. I fully support your right to marry whom you wish.
I appreciate that, but I need more senators to agree with you. Or actually have a seperation of church and state. I'm of the opinion that if a religious institution chooses to get political (which admitedly needs very clear definition) then they should have their tax exempt status removed. Alternately they can just remove the exempt status entirely since religion has become such big business, but that's another rant entirly.
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I'm a little bitter/pissed about this, as you may have guessed. Second class citizenship grates on my nerves.
Edit: I digress. Summary: I'm tired of hearing about the royal wedding. Discuss.
Remember the fate of Charles I!...Poor King Charles laid his head on the block - January 1649 -
Down came the axe, and in the silence that followed
The only sound that could be heard was the solitary giggle, ofOliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 (September)...
Python... very nice;)
I for one am just tired of hearing about the wedding...
Do you have strong feelings about it? I find it irritating. In these financially difficult times, it seems to me, an uncouth American, that the monarchy is a parasite on the people of Britain.
+1
The Queen is the head of the Angelican Church, or should be. A monarch is given power by God to rule a nation.
The Queen is the head of the Angelican Church, or should be. A monarch is given power by God to rule a nation.
Like I said, remember the fate of Charles I!
The Queen is the head of the Angelican Church, or should be. A monarch is given power by God to rule a nation.
I hate to do it, but: Obvious troll is obvious.
I hate to do it, but: Obvious troll is obvious.
Almost a bit too obvious...wouldn't you say?
Nothing more than we have come to expect from him though..
As I have said elsewhere on this subject..If I were not already a Republican then today would have made me one
As I have said elsewhere on this subject..If I were not already a Republican then today would have made me one
Interesting. At the risk of igniting a political battle, why is that? I don't get the connection.
Do you have strong feelings about it? I find it irritating. In these financially difficult times, it seems to me, an uncouth American, that the monarchy is a parasite on the people of Britain.
Given the nature of the death of Lady Di, I'd say the situation is reversed. And while I can't speak for William, I think it must do a real number on your head to have your mother die like that.
With that history, I find it impossible to work up even a microgram of bile about somebody else's overly lavish wedding.
I will admit, being interested in heraldry, that I liked looking at the arms that were given to the Middleton family and hearing the herald's discussion of how they were designed. Of note, they were formally granted to Kate's father and they will be inherited by her brother.
I'll also admit that I've looked at the list of what's being served for the wedding, but that's because I like cooking, and the late Queen Mum's favorite Eggs Drumkilbo sounds pretty good the same way that the late Lyndon Johnson's chili recipe sounds pretty good too. But making either of those doesn't mean I'm a fan of the British monarchy or the Vietnam war, anymore than I'd be in favor of the south having won the Civil War if I made a Jefferson Davis pie.
The King or Queen is the head of the Church of England, so Queen Elizabeth is a religious ruler or should be.
Henry VIII is known for his role in the separation of the Church of England from the Roman Catholic Church. Henry's struggles with Rome led to the separation of the Church of England from papal authority, the Dissolution of the Monasteries, and establishing himself as the Supreme Head of the Church of England.
The King or Queen is the head of the Church of England, so Queen Elizabeth is a religious ruler or should be.
Henry VIII is known for his role in the separation of the Church of England from the Roman Catholic Church. Henry's struggles with Rome led to the separation of the Church of England from papal authority, the Dissolution of the Monasteries, and establishing himself as the Supreme Head of the Church of England.
I don't remember exactly, but didn't he establish the Church of england because the pope pissed him off. He wanted to divorce his wife, if memory serves.
As I have said elsewhere on this subject..If I were not already a Republican then today would have made me oneInteresting. At the risk of igniting a political battle, why is that? I don't get the connection.
Ah I see the confusion..I don't mean Republican as in a Member of the US Republican Party
I'm Scottish..I believe the Royals are a bunch of lazy parasites who stop our country from reaching it's full potential and that a Presidential system of government should replace monarchical rule.
I also believe that Scotland would be far better off if we were to claim our Independence and drop the rock around our neck that is England and Wales.But that's a point for another thread.
Do you have strong feelings about it? I find it irritating. In these financially difficult times, it seems to me, an uncouth American, that the monarchy is a parasite on the people of Britain.
I read a piece on this and purportedly the royal family is actually a fairly lucrative asset for Britain basically due to the amount of tourist dollars that it brings in.
Now admittedly not everyone gets an equal cut, currently there are a lot of happy restaurant, pub, and hotel owners in the London area that are having a really good week but the tax payers in Belfast benefit a whole heck of a lot less.
Ah I see the confusion..I don't mean Republican as in a Member of the US Republican Party
I'm Scottish..I believe the Royals are a bunch of lazy parasites who stop our country from reaching it's full potential and that a Presidential system of government should replace monarchical rule.
I also believe that Scotland would be far better off if we were to claim our Independence and drop the rock around our neck that is England and Wales.But that's a point for another thread.
Gotcha...thanks. :)
I could not care less. I hope they have a happy life. I hope not to have to hear about it again after today.
BFD. Prince meets commoner, fall in love, commoner gets stamp of approval, prince and commoner marry. Or, as the one reporter said the other day "Kate's only job now is to breed."
I read a piece on this and purportedly the royal family is actually a fairly lucrative asset for Britain basically due to the amount of tourist dollars that it brings in.
People come to see the Castles and Palaces..they would still be there if the Mountbatten-Windsors were thrown out off them.As for the Pagentry it could easily be shifted to an elected head of State.
BFD. Prince meets commoner, fall in love, commoner gets stamp of approval, prince and commoner marry. Or, as the one reporter said the other day "Kate's only job now is to breed."
Love it. It's funny because it's true.
I´m totally anti-royalist... But I still liked how they fit the future Queen into this Dr. Who episode about a floating Spaceship UK in space, powered by space whales with tentacles or something...
I think all the mythology works better if actual royals are done away with, then people have an imaginary queen. Much better than the real thing. And they don´t try and over-turn elected parliaments around the world, either.
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Congratulations, You can spend a couple of million getting married and i'm not allowed (gay). yay for you.I did not even consider that. I fully support your right to marry whom you wish.
I appreciate that, but I need more senators to agree with you. Or actually have a seperation of church and state. I'm of the opinion that if a religious institution chooses to get political (which admitedly needs very clear definition) then they should have their tax exempt status removed. Alternately they can just remove the exempt status entirely since religion has become such big business, but that's another rant entirly.
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I'm a little bitter/pissed about this, as you may have guessed. Second class citizenship grates on my nerves.
Edit: I digress. Summary: I'm tired of hearing about the royal wedding. Discuss.
I hope this makes you feel better, I am a married Gay man. I live in canada, in fact here in Canada Gay marriage is almost completely normalized (as in not a big deal at all). Eventually that may happen where you live, I can only hope it does.
I hope this makes you feel better, I am a married Gay man. I live in canada, in fact here in Canada Gay marriage is almost completely normalized (as in not a big deal at all). Eventually that may happen where you live, I can only hope it does.
The US has a lot of hardcore right wing backwoods redneck idiot religious leaders who keep us from being more progressive. Frankly, any remotely logical person will see the gay marriage issue as a non-issue. The fact that we've been "debating" it as long as we have is ludicrious.
Again, I admit I'm somewhat bitter. I have been with the same man for almost six years and I can't marry him due to the "preservation of the sancity of marriage." Whereas, a hetero couple can go to vegas the same weekend they meet and get married by a dragqueen elvis impersonator only to get divorced a week later. Because that's what "god intended."
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I've read that only 1/3 of english people polledsaid they would even bother to watch it- as an english person still in an economic recession, it is ludicrous to have an additional bank holiday that costs the economy millions just for a wedding for a royal family that can easily afford to finance it themselves (and yet taxpayers money is wasted on advertising it)...
I've read that only 1/3 of english people polledsaid they would even bother to watch it- as an english person still in an economic recession, it is ludicrous to have an additional bank holiday that costs the economy millions just for a wedding for a royal family that can easily afford to finance it themselves (and yet taxpayers money is wasted on advertising it)...
Switch on the telly, see how many people are happy, and see whether that changes your mind.
Come on over to Iowa. We'd love to have you.
Congratulations, You can spend a couple of million getting married and i'm not allowed (gay). yay for you. *golfclap*
Until its federal it won't really matter legally, but thanks to some states for getting the ball rolling.
I read a piece on this and purportedly the royal family is actually a fairly lucrative asset for Britain basically due to the amount of tourist dollars that it brings in.
People come to see the Castles and Palaces..they would still be there if the Mountbatten-Windsors were thrown out off them.As for the Pagentry it could easily be shifted to an elected head of State.
Actually, speaking as someone from a country with an elected head of state, having the pageantry run by a separate entity would be a good idea. This past Easter weekend, Obama went to church on Sunday morning for an Easter service, had an Easter egg hunt on the White House lawn, had a prayer breakfast earlier in the week with Catholic leaders and assorted pageantry and glad-handing, and Fox news still managed to politicize it, complaining that he failed to put out an Easter proclamation too.
Having a Queen to run the Easter egg hunts while the Prime Minister attempts to deal with a trashed economy seems like a better plan.
Having a Queen to run the Easter egg hunts while the Prime Minister attempts to deal with a trashed economy seems like a better plan.
This plan has merit.
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I've read that only 1/3 of english people polledsaid they would even bother to watch it- as an english person still in an economic recession, it is ludicrous to have an additional bank holiday that costs the economy millions just for a wedding for a royal family that can easily afford to finance it themselves (and yet taxpayers money is wasted on advertising it)...Switch on the telly, see how many people are happy, and see whether that changes your mind.
Great, some people smiling for the camera in exchange for greater poverty for millions. Nope, it didn't do the trick sorry.
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I've read that only 1/3 of english people polledsaid they would even bother to watch it- as an english person still in an economic recession, it is ludicrous to have an additional bank holiday that costs the economy millions just for a wedding for a royal family that can easily afford to finance it themselves (and yet taxpayers money is wasted on advertising it)...
Actually, the Royals did finance it themselves - it is a "private" wedding, not a state occasion (though you wouldn't know it by looking).
I didn't watch it, but I don't begrudge the Royals anything. They are part of the tradition of this country, don't actually cost very much, and replacing the monarchy with a president (aka just another politician) seems to me to be a retrograde step. The heriditary principle is anachronistic but as the monarch is effectively apolitical it doesn't seem an issue in the terms of how the thing works. In other words, they don't do any harm, so why bother to abolish them.
I think that, rather than being very interested in how much it cost, or it saying anything about the Royals place in society, many people in the UK are sceptical because of the way a number of recent royal weddings turned out after all the pomp and pageantry. As far as I can tell, which isn't much, they seem like a nice couple and I wish them well. Can't say I'm really bothered either way about how they wish to celebrate their nuptuals.
I should like to add I do not begrudge William and Kate. I do wish them well.
I should like to add I do not begrudge William and Kate. I do wish them well.
ZOMG, it's "Catherine" now. Didn't you get the memo?
Hater.
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I should like to add I do not begrudge William and Kate. I do wish them well.
As for the monarchy being parasitic, they cost much less than, say, waste in the NHS, or people claiming incapacity benefit while being fir for work, or idiotic procurement practices in the Ministry of Defence. So I think a sense of proportion is needed here. Elected politicians, actually, cost us a lot more. Obviously, democracy comes with more checks and balances than monarchy, but let's not pretend its cheaper. I think the current financial situation in both the UK and the US should give the lie to that.
Do you have strong feelings about it?
Inherited privilege is pretty repellant. To base a system of governance on it only makes things worse. To do all of that and then reduce it to a kabuki show just makes it all an insulting farce.
The people themselves? By design we know nothing about them. Elizabeth has refined that to an artform. They're mannequins who when they accidentally let things slip turn out to be very unspectacular.
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People come to see the Castles and Palaces..they would still be there if the Mountbatten-Windsors were thrown out off them.As for the Pagentry it could easily be shifted to an elected head of State.
Why would they be thrown out of them?
The country doesn't allow the Royal Family to use those buildings; it's the exact opposite.
Yes, I think they would be.
That could even be a tourist attraction, assuming replica royalty could be built allowing every John, Shirly, and Wang to take their turn at tossing the royals off Buckhingham Palace.
I have no doubt that the royal family, maybe even the Queen herself, ordered the death of Princess Diana. Her death in France had too many unanswered questions. She was chased to her death by photographers? Her bodyguard was drunk? Something stinks here, really bad. Maybe when William is King he will finally uncover the truth.
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Elected politicians, actually, cost us a lot more.
Especially the ones from Scotland*, who, as Wellard correctly pointed out, should be forbidden from standing for office in the UK.
*Of course, Brown was never elected PM, but that didn't stop him being given the job in a sleazy backroom deal, so he could flush our economy down the crapper.
