A Civil Whedon, Brown, & Burton Discussion


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Brown - who?

Burton - Hit or Miss. Some of his stuff can be pretty good (Batman, Sweeney Todd, Corpse Bride) and some if can be just out there.

Whedon - I was working a late shift when his stuff was big, so I missed most of it except for a few episodes. The one episode of Firefly I saw turned me off of the series (I saw one where there seemed to be no science in the science fiction, everybody and everything could have been deposited in the closest western and nobody would have noticed), but what I really don't get is the rabid attitude many of his fans seem to have. People other than Joss are capable of doing good things, but to hear some of his fans you wouldn't think so.

Scarab Sages

taig wrote:
Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yay for old people! Let's add some Echo and the Bunnymen, DEVO, B-52s, Bow Wow Wow, The Clash... PARTY!

All excellent choices! Woo hoo!

crack that whip

give the past the slip
step on a crack
break your momma's back
when a problem comes along
you must whip it
before the cream sits out too long
you must whip it
when something's going wrong
you must whip it

now whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
whip it good

when a good time turns around
you must whip it
you will never live it down
unless you whip it
no one gets away
until they whip it

i say whip it
whip it good
whip it good

crack that whip
give the past the slip
step on a crack
break your momma's back
when a problem comes along
you must whip it
before the cream sits out too long
you must whip it
when something's going wrong
you must whip it

now whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
into shape
shape it up
get straight
go forward
move ahead
try to detect it
it's not too late
to whip it
whip it good


Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Yay for old people! Let's add some Echo and the Bunnymen, DEVO, B-52s, Bow Wow Wow, The Clash... PARTY!

Are we not men? We are DEVO!

Best show I've ever seen at the state fairgrounds.


Crimson Jester wrote:
Ashe Ravenheart wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
Also I would like to point out Burton did Cabin boy. Need I say more?
No he didn't. That was written by Chris Elliot and Adam Resnick and directed by Adam (who's only other film of note is Death to Smoochy).

IMDB lists him as a Producer.

BTW I own and liked Death to Smoochy. Although to be fair, I think I am the only person in America who does.

Make that two people. Death to Smoochy was hilarious. I frequently break into a round of "Gonna Get You Off That Smack, Oh Yes We Will" when I pick up my guitar.

("It's a.... uhhhhh.... it's aaaaa... IT'S A ROCKET SHIP!")

Silver Crusade

Studpuffin wrote:
Mairkurion Jr. wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Strollin' through Paizo.com messageboards

Sees thread
Feels imminent explosion coming on
Re-reads thread title
Moves important internal FHDM workings to 1/3 of his body
Detonates remaining 2/3rds into a fine, unWhedonboxable mist

I loves me some Tim Burton.

This whole thing gives me an idea for a new flavor of Haterade(tm)- Haterade(tm) Lite- For when you only hate some of the things involved in a certain situation. It also has 2/3rds less sugar than regular Haterade(tm).

Haterade(tm) Lite- Cuz FHDM loves Tim Burton.

Who are people going to hate next? Danny Elfman? Johnny Depp?

Danny Elfman!?

How can you hate that guy? :)

+1

An often underrated composer.


Kthulhu wrote:

Brown - Who ?

Burton - He was OK a few decades ago, when he was relatively new. However, since then he's revealed himself to pretty much be a one-note wonder. I wish either he or Johnny Depp would disappear, since then both of their mutually dependent careers would vanish. At this point, the best way he could impress me is to make a film that doesn't blatantly have "Tim Burton Made This" pulsing with neon lights all over it.

Whedon - I generally like him, although some of his stuff is overrated. Buffy and Angel both suffered from prolonged bouts of TABS (Teen Angst Bulls#!t). And Buffy never should have been brought back after it ended in it's 5th season. However, Dollhouse was very good, Astonishing X-Men was the best damn X-Men story in years (helped out by the fact that it wasn't drowning in extraneous characters or the need for extensive background knowledge of X-Men history...two problems that have plagued most X-Men stories over the past couple of decades or so), and Firefly/Serenity was amazing. Oh, and Dr. Horrible was awesome as well.

I'm not the biggest fan of Depp either. Tim Burton had a few good movies early.

As for Whedon's run of X-men, I whole heartedly disgree, BUT I realize that I'm in the extreme minority on the topic. I think the best run of X-men in recent history was the lead up to the Fall of the Shi'ar Empire. Firefly was a good show, and a nice twist on the sci-fi genre. Dr. Horrible I really, relly enjoyed, but almost everything else I could do without, especially Buffy/Angel. Dollhouse had no direction and poor casting.

One last thing about X-Men - You can't often seperate a title from its history succesfully... not that I should have to say that, you're a fan of the most tangled marvel character of all time - Spider Man - so that seems like an odd comment for you to make.


nathan blackmer wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:


stuff about the Astonishing X-Men

Well, I loved his run. However, I don't know about whether you needed extensive background information or not.

'Cuz it was absolutely dripping in background information. The scene I remember the most is when Kitty yells at Emma and reminds us that Emma was the first super-villain Kitty ever faced.

And even though

Spoiler:
the Hellfire Club sequence turned out to be a red herring

the issues really rewarded familiarity with the original Claremont storylines.

Don't get me wrong, I thought the original stories and characters were well-done, but, honestly, a lot of the appeal of Whedon's run for me stemmed from his coninuity.


Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
Brown - who?

I suppose someone should address this question since it has been asked often enough.

Alton Brown

If you're not a foodie, I can understand not knowing who he is. However, if you like more than Funyuns and Mountain Dew at your gaming table I'd suggest getting to know him.


Shadowborn wrote:

I suppose someone should address this question since it has been asked often enough.

Alton Brown

If you're not a foodie, I can understand not knowing who he is. However, if you like more than Funyuns and Mountain Dew at your gaming table I'd suggest getting to know him.

While I would hesitate to say "Alton Brown rocks!!!" I do enjoy Good Eats and I don't think Iron Chef America would be nearly as interesting without him. I also enjoyed the "road trip" series he did, although the name escapes me right now.

He seems to know more about the science of food than anyone else (which as a physicist is definitely a plus in my book), and yet also seems to know what tastes good.

Definitely worth watching.

Greg

Scarab Sages

Mmmmm.....food

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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:

the issues really rewarded familiarity with the original Claremont storylines.

Don't get me wrong, I thought the original stories and characters were well-done, but, honestly, a lot of the appeal of Whedon's run for me stemmed from his coninuity.

I agree that Whedon's run rewarded familiarity. But unlike many X-Men storylines from the past few years, it could also be enjoyed cold (ie, with no real knowledge of X-History).

Extended rant about X-Men "continuity":

Spoiler:

I just want a story damn it, I don't need to worry about if someone is a Summers, if someone is actually dead, currently dead, formerly dead, or the all-too rare never been dead (yet). I don't need a story that requires you to know who the hell Xorn was (especially since Marvel themselves haven't ever quite managed to figure that one out). Don't even get me started on Jean Grey, she's a goddamn Schrodinger's Cat...you don't know if she's alive or dead until she appears in a story (and even then it's often debatable, given that she has clones and stuff).

Nate - Some Spider-Man stories may be a bit tangled, but they largely keep that tangle to within the same story arc. The worst you can say is that some of those story arcs have been far FAR too long (Maximum Carnage and CLONE SAGA, I'm looking at you). I'm also ignoring anything past The Other, because that's when it became apparent that Marvel hates Spider-Man. One More Day clenched the deal...they're trying to ruin him.

X-Men stories tend to draw from almost 50 years of THE WORST continuity in comics combined with the some of the most frequent retcons in comics history. I mean, c'mon, there's a girl that was a white British telepathic supermodel, and she's managed to become an Asian telekinetic soulknife. Beast has gone from a guy with big hands and feet to a monkey-man to a cat-man. And they had a chance to, if not clean up the history, clean up the present and future with House of M. But instead of getting rid of the huge glut of mutants that Marvel has collected over the past 50 years, they instead got rid of the 95% of the mutant population that had never actually been shown in a comic book. And, even though I mentioned him before...goddamn Xorn. Jesus Christ, Xorn.


I've always thought Wesley Crusher was pretty awesome, too, everyone!

Joss Whedon / Wil Wheaton?

... Maybe not.

-- Andy

P.S. Tim Burton's a genius.

Joss Weadon's there too.

Alton Brown's sharp, and looks and sounds good on the telly.

*Blindfolds Alton and nudges him gently towards Aberzombie.*

Shadow Lodge

nathan blackmer wrote:
Dollhouse had no direction and poor casting.

Could just be that I'm a sucker for an apocalyptic ending. Or Felicia Day.

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Kthulhu wrote:
nathan blackmer wrote:
Dollhouse had no direction and poor casting.
Could just be that I'm a sucker for an apocalyptic ending. Or Felicia Day.

Yes. :)


Kthulhu wrote:
nathan blackmer wrote:
Dollhouse had no direction and poor casting.
Could just be that I'm a sucker for an apocalyptic ending. Or Felicia Day.

I hear you there. I'll watch anything Felicia Day is in. Ever. Anywhere. There's just something very home-y about her.

I keep hoping she'll get a spot in tv or a big movie, but no such luck yet.

X-men's continuity is bad, I'll give you that (time travel being common will do that) but hey, it could be worse, it could be Superman.

I agree that Spider Man has been mishandled pretty horribly the last few years, which is wierd because I love Straczynski's writing. His run on Thor was phenominal.

I think Spiderman peaked hard in the mid 80's.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Strollin' through Paizo.com messageboards

Sees thread
Feels imminent explosion coming on
Re-reads thread title
Moves important internal FHDM workings to 1/3 of his body
Detonates remaining 2/3rds into a fine, unWhedonboxable mist

I loves me some Tim Burton.

This whole thing gives me an idea for a new flavor of Haterade(tm)- Haterade(tm) Lite- For when you only hate some of the things involved in a certain situation. It also has 2/3rds less sugar than regular Haterade(tm).

Haterade(tm) Lite- Cuz FHDM loves Tim Burton.

Sorry Freehold, The Box has been upgraded with a very cool Fine Mist Recovery System.

Turns on FMRS and watches as FHDM's remains go into the Whedon Box.

Lets see... Ah. Season 1 of Dollhouse. Enjoy, buddy!

muffled screaming emanates from Box


GregH wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:

I suppose someone should address this question since it has been asked often enough.

Alton Brown

If you're not a foodie, I can understand not knowing who he is. However, if you like more than Funyuns and Mountain Dew at your gaming table I'd suggest getting to know him.

While I would hesitate to say "Alton Brown rocks!!!" I do enjoy Good Eats and I don't think Iron Chef America would be nearly as interesting without him. I also enjoyed the "road trip" series he did, although the name escapes me right now.

He seems to know more about the science of food than anyone else (which as a physicist is definitely a plus in my book), and yet also seems to know what tastes good.

Definitely worth watching.

Greg

I may hate me some Alton Brown but i have to admit the man knows his food science.


Shadowborn wrote:
If you're not a foodie, I can understand not knowing who he is. However, if you like more than Funyuns and Mountain Dew at your gaming table I'd suggest getting to know him.

I tend to eat before the games, to be honest. For food shows I tend to watch No Reservations (not much about food anymore, but still entertaining) and Bizarre Foods. I stopped watching cooking shows when I realized I wasn't ever going to be able to make the things the people on the television did. Although I had mostly stopped after some clown calling himself "Frugal" talked about how much better things tasted when mixed in a real silver bowl.


Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
If you're not a foodie, I can understand not knowing who he is. However, if you like more than Funyuns and Mountain Dew at your gaming table I'd suggest getting to know him.
I tend to eat before the games, to be honest. For food shows I tend to watch No Reservations (not much about food anymore, but still entertaining) and Bizarre Foods. I stopped watching cooking shows when I realized I wasn't ever going to be able to make the things the people on the television did. Although I had mostly stopped after some clown calling himself "Frugal" talked about how much better things tasted when mixed in a real silver bowl.

Yikes. I must have missed that episode of the Frugal Gourmet...

Our weekly games usually encompass most of Sunday afternoon and evening, so dinner is a must (sometimes lunch, too) and of course snacks are always welcome. Sometimes we do a potluck to change things up, so I'm always on the lookout for something tasty to whip up.


Brown - My current favorite chef - both for the kookiness of Good Eats, and for the food science; if I know why I'm adding a particular ingredient, it's easier to change the recipe for my tastes. If I did cook more things, I'd be using his cookbook first.

Whedon - Meh. I really liked Firefly, a lot. I liked some Buffy (admittedly, mostly the episodes which were non-standard). I really liked Dr. Horrible as well. Pretty indifferent to everything else he's done. He's got a very, very strong fan base, which says something about his work. I'm not part of it, which says something else about it. Overall, he's introduced me to some of my favorite actors who don't get enough big roles; so I'll leave it at 'I can accept the physical existence of Joss Whedon.'

Burton - Hit or miss, but less so than Whedon. Admittedly, Burton doesn't have a large variety of creative visions, but he is uncannily good at getting those visions onto film. Few people do a better fairytale, even when it's twisted (of course, 'fairytale' isn't the appropriate mode for every story). If it's a new Burton movie, and it's supposed to be a fairytale, then I'll probably see it.

Elfman - Yes, always. No matter what. I'd watch a bad Burton movie written by Whedon at his worst if it has a good Elfman soundtrack.

X-Men - Always liked them more than anything DC ever put out; though to be honest, the huge and tangled web that is backstory for most long-running comic-type heroes keeps me away from long-term enjoyment. Same goes for Spidey. I think maybe DC did Watchmen - I really liked that one when I borrowed it from a friend...but that statement alone should reveal the true status of my comics/graphic novels knowledge (it's as deep as an MTV show).


Shadowborn wrote:
Our weekly games usually encompass most of Sunday afternoon and evening, so dinner is a must (sometimes lunch, too) and of course snacks are always welcome. Sometimes we do a potluck to change things up, so I'm always on the lookout for something tasty to whip up.

Under normal circumstances our games tend to be 3 to 4 hours, but I also game 3 nights per week. Less of a need to make the game a big cookout, although we do that occasionally. Every now and again we will have a cookout in the summer (we have even managed to figure out something like real barbeque on a grill by cooking longer at the lowest possible temp) and we do Thanksgiving every year, as none of us have any family left in the area.

Of course, it is even more difficult to pull off a regular dining event when you account for 8 different tastes, some backed up by food allergies. I have a great deal of pity for the person allergic to rice in our group.


Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
I have a great deal of pity for the person allergic to rice in our group.

Yikes. Having grown up in Hawaii, the idea of not being able to eat rice boggles my mind. The only thing that would be worse would be the addition of hydrophobia.

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Studpuffin wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
He likes to wear women's clothes.
So do you...Hell even I will admit there are photos of me at the age of one wearing a Red cotton number...standing in a clothes basket...it was wash day...It was probably the only Time I looked Cute...and I did win that giant Doll...even though I ripped its arms and legs off.
You were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo adorable, especially with the braided beard and the koalas on each of your legs.

I have not now or ever worn Dropbears on my legs. Every sophisticant knows you wear Tasmanian Devils tied to your feet - that way they can go a fella's manhood when you kick him in the brass monkeys. Barbarian!!!

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