Hi there,
I have a question regarding wild shape.
A Druid player in my RotRL campaign (to start in 3 weeks)asked me if I'd know some large birds.
Point is he has made a PFRPG druid with the eagle shaman archetype.
So when he shapechanges in a roc or an eagle that is at +2 druid lvl (-2 for all other creatures)
But we can't seem to find a large eagle or roc for when he can change into large animals.
So I told him to add a template to an existing roc or eagle and was told that that wasn't allowed (I couln't find that in the rules/ maybe missed it)
And even with that rule the roc from bestiary is gargantuan and the the eagle only small.
Does anyone have a tip to help us out?
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The statistics for the Roc animal companion are what you should use for a large flight form. I'm not sure if you are the GM or just another player, but a lot of the animal shaman archetypes really need the GM's help in creating forms for every size that a druid can transform into. Same goes for the summon natures ally bonuses they get.
I am the DM. Have to find may way aound Pathfinder a little though.
We will find more solutions if the Druidplayer comes up with other probs :)
An Eagle shaman is not the route to go if you're looking to make wildshape a main combat option. Eagle shamans are primarily casters or scouts.
Some of the shamanic archetypes are less meant for melee than others. the Eagle is one of them.
That may be the case, but a player plays what he likes and he should at least have the option shouldn't he.......?
He aint exactly a noob to the game to say it blunt.
The player is one of my most enthousiastic build makers and still keep in character.
Start with Eagle, Giant (who is large)
And then Jason, the guy who made the Shaman archetypes, even states that he recommends allowing one to use the young (For a huge Roc) or the giant (on giant eagle for a huge eagle)
He does say polymorph effects don't allow you to become templated creatures, but doesn't site where (at least in the thread I'm linking)
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/paizo/aPGDruidShamanWildshapingModifiersWhatDoTheyMean&page=1&so urce=search#5
Basically you use the damage die types for the adjusted size and the beast shape stat mods (not the actual template.) I do believe I've also seen a thread or two where people seem to have already used this variation, so it doesn't seem that uncommon.
Edit: Oh, it sneaks in on the specific individuals paragraph:
"Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature."
@ Roundtable: Thanks for the link
@ LazarX: Didn't want to sound grumpy mate.
Thank all very much.
I generally advise that you ignore the "no templated creatures" restriction when it comes to the young and giant simple templates.
Most aspects of your new shape are regulated by the polymorph effect itself. So you won't get an unfair advantage by being a "young roc" (a huge creature; huge is possible with wildshape, gargantuan isn't), since that shape won't allow you any special ability that the ability itself won't allow, and the ability score adjustments are fixed and depend solely on the spell/effect, too.
That means you can't, say, "cheat" the game by using alter self to turn into a young troll to gain regeneration, since alter self doesn't grant you regeneration.
Also, Pathfinder removed a lot of individual animals' stat blocks, instead saying that to get those animals, use stats for another animal, often with the young, advanced and/or giant simple templates.
Example: While 3.5 had both medium and large bears, Pathfinder only has stats for the large grizzly bear. Smaller bears (like the black bear) are generated by applying the young simple template to the grizzly's stats, while a larger grizzly or polar bear gets the advanced simple template.
However, with the polymorph/wildshape rules as they are, you may not use templated creatures, so black bears are no longer a viable wildshape.
That's clearly not the intention. The "no template" rule is supposed to keep you from turning into a half-dragon fiendish dire bear or something equally silly. It's not supposed to keep you from turning into distinct species that are only templated so they could save some space in the books and should have their own stat block.
3.5 had a dire hawk somewhere, but memory is a bit weak.
But the young and giant templates should do ya.
Be prepared, when he hits large; he can carry a rider. This may or may not open the possibility of eagle knights.
A proud Eagle Shaman should not lower himself to being another's mount.3.5 had a dire hawk somewhere, but memory is a bit weak.
But the young and giant templates should do ya.
Be prepared, when he hits large; he can carry a rider. This may or may not open the possibility of eagle knights.
Not as a matter of course, but in emergencies or if there is a specific and significant need.
"Quick, we have to warn the king before *someghing bad happens*."
"Our squishy party member is dead. Please fly him to the generic temple of healing."