Hi all.
So I have some questions on Item crafting, and Rod crafting in perticular.
So to get "Craft Rod" I have to be 9th level. I got that.
To craft a Metamagic Rod I need Both "Craft Rod" AND the Metamagic feat.
The Spellcraft DC to craft a Rod is CL of the Rod +5.
A few questions.
1. Am I right that all meta magic rods are CL 17?
1.a. So the CL is the same for a lesser rod of still as a Greater rod of quicken?
2. Can I craft it without the Metamagic feat just taking a +5 to the DC? I think thats what it says but I want to be sure.
3. If all Meta rods are CL 17, and you can make them at 9th level, how the hell can I make a DC 22 or 27 check with even a decent chance of success?
Ok, now that all of that is out of the way. I am a tad confused on how to figure pricing on a item with more then one power.
Lets say I make a Rod of lesser still Price 3000.
Then I want to add lesser silent?
Also can i upgrade? say from lesser silent to normal silent? if so how much would it be?
And lastly can I craft them with more or less then 3/day uses?
Thank you for the help, i am a tad confused.
1. Am I right that all meta magic rods are CL 17?
1.a. So the CL is the same for a lesser rod of still as a Greater rod of quicken?
Yeah
2. Can I craft it without the Metamagic feat just taking a +5 to the DC? I think thats what it says but I want to be sure.
Yeah
3. If all Meta rods are CL 17, and you can make them at 9th level, how the hell can I make a DC 22 or 27 check with even a decent chance of success?
You'll have around a +18 modifier -- 9 spellcraft ranks (must be caster level 9 to get Craft Rod) + 3 class skill + 6 Int (guesstimate for a wizard)
If you take 10 on the craft check (which you can do, assuming you could normally take 10, not distracted, no time constraint, etc), you could make a DC 28 . . .
Ok, now that all of that is out of the way. I am a tad confused on how to figure pricing on a item with more then one power.
Lets say I make a Rod of lesser still Price 3000.
Then I want to add lesser silent?
You're trying to create something that doesn't (currently) exist. By saying "multiple powers", they're saying a rod that can function as a rod of lesser still (3/day) *AS WELL AS* a rod of of lesser silent (3/day). The 3/day usages are separate. In that case, it would be the base cost of the still + 1.5x the cost of the silent -- or market price 7,500 gp.
That said, I suppose you could make a rod of stilled + silent 3/day. I guess it would require both feats and cost similar to an Empower rod (2 slot increase). But that's up to the GM really. . . although I can't see currently why this wouldn't be allowed.
Edit: Well, I guess that kind of breaks the intent of metamagic rods. They're supposed to apply one single metamagic feat at a time. So I'd recommend against allowing this.
Also can i upgrade? say from lesser silent to normal silent? if so how much would it be?
(Market price of the normal - Market price of the lesser)/2
And lastly can I craft them with more or less then 3/day uses?
The pricing doesn't really cover that. It's probably difficult enough to eyeball that I wouldn't recommend it.
EDIT: NINJA'D! Well, whatever...
1. Am I right that all meta magic rods are CL 17?
Unless the creator crafts them at a lower caster level, yes.
1.a. So the CL is the same for a lesser rod of still as a Greater rod of quicken?
See above.
2. Can I craft it without the Metamagic feat just taking a +5 to the DC? I think thats what it says but I want to be sure.
Yes.
3. If all Meta rods are CL 17, and you can make them at 9th level, how the hell can I make a DC 22 or 27 check with even a decent chance of success?
By having a +12 or +17 modifier on your Spelcraft check and taking a 10. That's easily achievable by 9th-level. If you fall just short for some reason, have an apprentice aid another.
Ok, now that all of that is out of the way. I am a tad confused on how to figure pricing on a item with more then one power.
Lets say I make a Rod of lesser still Price 3000.
Then I want to add lesser silent?
Also can i upgrade? say from lesser silent to normal silent? if so how much would it be?
If you add one rod to another (effectively creating a single rod that applies two metamagic feats) you increase the cost of the CHEAPER rod by 50%. Done. Track the daily charges separately.
If you upgrade a rod (say from a lesser to a greater) you pay the difference in gold (and maybe time as well), but you make the Spellcraft check at the higher DC (the greater rod's DC).
And lastly can I craft them with more or less then 3/day uses?
There are no hard and fast rules covering this one, so ask your GM to see what he thinks is reasonable.
Thank you for the help, i am a tad confused.
That's what we're here for.
Really apreciate all the help guys,
How the hell I forgot I could "take 10" is beyond me......
And thanks again for the help with the pricing. Seems I was making it WAY harder then it needed to be.
Ok, Now I'm a bit confused.... again..
When I asked about stacking rods you said (As far as i understood)
Take the cost of the first [lesser silent] 3000
add the cost of the next [lesser still] 3000 but you said to add 50% to the cheaper one.
Giving us a cost of 7500 for a rod of both lesser silent and lesser still.
Am I right thus far?
But This Thread Says that as you add things to one item it gets cheaper.
I'll be honest I may still not be grasping it but (I think) these 2 threads seem to be saying 2 different things for what ammounts to the same question.
they're seeing it as if adding two different Metamagic effects are concidered two similar Abilities.
this thread treats them as two different (which they are).
the reduction in cost is still added on top of the base price, but their example is for things like "+10 to jump and +5 to balance" two abilities that use the same skill, and thusly are Similar.
you're asking to get the use of two feats, which is multiple different abilities or:
Base cost of all+ 1.5 times the cost of the cheapest addition.
so a lesser rod of Extend/Still is 7500 (3000+3000+1500)
So its a judgment call if the metamagic effects are "Similar"?
Ok, I know the pricing of custom items is just a guideline anyway.
But damn, thats a HUGE difference between the two.
So its a judgment call if the metamagic effects are "Similar"?
Ok, I know the pricing of custom items is just a guideline anyway.
But damn, thats a HUGE difference between the two.
more or less, but since the benefit of having access to two metamagic feats without worrying about wasting actions switching them out, I'd call them different, just because the only item that would let you swap your rods out as free actions costs 10,000 (Glove of Storing).
I agree with Karjak.
