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Where in the rules is it stated that you must meet the caster level requirement of a magical item in order to craft it? I'm looking for the specific line of test.
Also, if you do not meet the caster level, is it possible to overcome this by adding +5 to the check DC to create the item, as if this is a requirement that you do not meet?
Thanks.
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My understanding is that one does not need to meet a caster level to craft a magic item. I believe some errata cleared up the ambiguous wording that threw people off previously.
The crafter must have access to the necessary spells in one form or another (spell list, scrolls, a helpful caster with the spell) or take a penalty for lacking the spell.
The one exception to this is that on some items the caster must have a CL equal to 3 times the enhancement bonus. I know this is the case with an amulet of mighty fists and may be the case with any enhancement items. When this is the case, it is spelled out specifically in the requirements section.
The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It, under no means, is a prerequisite for creating an item.
2)Weapons, armors and shields have a special prerequisite, you must have enhancement bonus x3=(caster level) and if the item in question has a special ability (for example flaming) you use as the higher caster level requirement as the special prerequisite.
3)Now when creating anything other than spell copletion or spell trigger items (mainly scrolls, wands and staves) and you don't have the spell and/or any other prerequisite (for example creator must be ranger) that the item might have you can take +5 to the crafting DC for each prerequisite that you don't have.
4)Now when an item other than weapons, amrors and shields list a minimum caster level prerequisite thigns are starting to get a litte fuzzy, i think that RAW you can take +5 to the crafting DC if you don't have the prerequisite caster level for such items (for example cloak of resistance).
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The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It under no means is a prerequisite for creating an item.
Might wanna edit that. I'll delete this post after you do. :)
Might wanna edit that. I'll delete this post after you do. :)The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It under no means is a prerequisite for creating an item.
Edit what? I don't see any typo or error. Can you be more specific?
Edit what? I don't see any typo or error. Can you be more specific?Might wanna edit that. I'll delete this post after you do. :)The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It under no means is a prerequisite for creating an item.
Not sure what he is refering to, but there are a few exceptions. Mostly these are things like the Amulet of Mighty Fist, which for all intents and purposes is a reskinned weapon. The exceptions are rare, but are there.
Not sure what he is refering to, but there are a few exceptions. Mostly these are things like the Amulet of Mighty Fist, which for all intents and purposes is a reskinned weapon. The exceptions are rare, but are there.Edit what? I don't see any typo or error. Can you be more specific?Might wanna edit that. I'll delete this post after you do. :)The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It under no means is a prerequisite for creating an item.
I think that amulet of mighty fists falls under the 4) from what i've said.
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Edit what? I don't see any typo or error. Can you be more specific?Might wanna edit that. I'll delete this post after you do. :)The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It under no means is a prerequisite for creating an item.
I initially misread it and am now past the 1h mark to edit, so my apologies.
I've also sworn off magic item creation DC conversations as I think the rules are a mess, so will back out here.
Again, my apologies, and enjoy.
Edit what? I don't see any typo or error. Can you be more specific?Might wanna edit that. I'll delete this post after you do. :)The rules for any magic item concerning CL are:
1)For everything other than arms and armor the CL listed in each item (which may or may not be lowest possible) is there only to set the DC for the item creation, detection, dispel resistance etc. It under no means is a prerequisite for creating an item.
I initially misread it and am now past the 1h mark to edit, so my apologies.
I've also sworn off magic item creation DC conversations as I think the rules are a mess, so will back out here.
Again, my apologies, and enjoy.
Me too but this thread was small.
Yea the rules are a bit of a mess. There's confusion between prerequistes and manditory prerequistes, with item caster level a mandetory prerequisite, then that erattaed out, then accidently put back in the APG.
I think it all shook out to this: Missing any pre-requisite, including a level requirement in the crafting description - but not the CL of the item itself -, increases the check DC by 5 for each thing you miss. The CL modifies the DC directly (5+CL). A couple of things are mandetory: The Item Creation Feat, and, for spell compleation and spell trigger items (like wands & scrolls) you need the spell itself. BUT even there, several creatures can colaberate to make the item, one provide the feat, another the spell, etc.
They're hard coded into weapons and armor. You cannot make weapons or armor with a (i think equivilant) bonus over 1/3 your caster level.
Unless they're on a prerequisite line, they have nothing to do with the creation of a magic item except to set the DC for the spellcraft check to make them.*