And there is one thing that Pathfinder has that the RC never did - spectacular color art. The 2 Bestiaries alone are enough to get a lot of would-be gamers that age to turn into full-on fanatics.
Yeah, I love the new artwork for a lot of the old creatures I remember from way back when. All my players got in on the wave of 3.0, and don't remember monsters like, say, neh thalggu from previous versions of the game - which makes it all the more delicious to me when I show them the picture of the brain collector in Bestiary 2 and tell them, "You're in a 100' deep hole with eight of these." =]
My first campaign was out of the black box, with Thunder Rift...later we graduated to the good Cyclopedia. That was a lot of fun, especially the weapon proficiencies and expertise material that went with it all. I felt sorry for the PC's every time they'd think the game was getting easier, here is a Fire Giant Lord that would 'smash' a PC for upwards of 50 hit points.
Amazing...represent!
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If it is a beginner's game, this is relevant...
What's the best "intro to" gaming product you've seen, and what did it do right? As a former technical writer, and a former classroom teacher, I have my opinions, but I'd like to know what products other people have found and liked.
I cut my teeth on the OD&D intro boxed set that was published by TSR around 1990 or 1991 - the board game-sized black box with the big red dragon on the front. It came with a full set of dice, foldout map, several sheets of folding paper miniatures, a basic rulebook taking characters to level 5, and a set of index cards with colored tabs in a folder called "Dragon Cards". The idea was that if you worked through the cards one by one, each one had an activity that introduced a new aspect of the game in a logical progression. It unfolded as one big interconnected story, too. I basically taught myself to play with this set at the age of 8 or 9 with no help from any adults.
If memory serves, this intro was reused when the "Classic Dungeons & Dragons" boxed set came out a few years later (circa 1994/1995) - they abandoned the index cards for a bound book format, and shortened the length of the tutorial, but it was still a good learning resource for the game - immersive, broken up into easily digestible chunks, and simple enough for a youth gamer to learn on his or her own.
I'd like to see the Pathfinder intro set be as much fun as that one was; I got rid of that boxed set years ago (except the dice - I've ALWAYS kept those, since they're the first ones I ever owned). The format of it, though, was such that I could use it to teach my nieces and nephews the game today (or my own kids if I ever have any) and STILL have fun playing through it as an adult. If Pathfinder comes up with a product that good, they could definitely bring a whole new generation to the gaming table.
(Oh, and HeroQuest is pretty badass, too.)
BTW OD&D is NOT from 1991 hehe... that is 2nd edition. :)
OD&D is 1rst edition and while you are close to the date it is not quite the same. Man I feel so old now. Having started back in 1978... and being 43 now.. ummm yea ok :)
BTW OD&D is NOT from 1991 hehe... that is 2nd edition. :)
OD&D is 1rst edition and while you are close to the date it is not quite the same. Man I feel so old now. Having started back in 1978... and being 43 now.. ummm yea ok :)
Perhaps I should have said Basic D&D instead. Meaning, the game where demihumans were character classes. =]
OD&D were booklets were published 1974-1976.
Lines that eliminated Race as Class
1977-1988 AD&D1e
1989-1999 AD&D2e
Lines that continued Race as Class
Basic and Expert D&D
Holmes -B (1977)
Moldvay -B (1981)
Cook/Marsh -X (1981)
Mentzer -B, X, etc. (1983-)
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Perhaps I should have said Basic D&D instead. Meaning, the game where demihumans were character classes. =]BTW OD&D is NOT from 1991 hehe... that is 2nd edition. :)
OD&D is 1rst edition and while you are close to the date it is not quite the same. Man I feel so old now. Having started back in 1978... and being 43 now.. ummm yea ok :)
Yea basic D&D was the bomb!! I loved it! I got in with the white box and then out came the red box with the Keep on the Boarderlands :) one of my all time favorite modules!! :)
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Honestly, I can't recall the last time you were right about something...I see neuroscience continues to fail. Well, neurology and psychiatry are still quite young disciplines...maybe they will turn up something someday.
What in the name of Sweet Asmodeus are you talking about? Neurol...what? Don't think you can impress me with fancy words, Leafster; if you mean necromancy, it's doing just fine, at least in Cheliax!
Did I mention tickets are still available?
Soo, Bellevue, Washington 98004, lets see...
Only a meager 6000 miles away. Maybe I can convince my wive to a short weekend trip.
Probably not :(