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lisamarlene wrote:

Grrrr.

I spent all afternoon yesterday making pierogi. I took them out of the garage fridge to saute them for dinner only to discover that Val had demolished a full third of them.

He's a growing boy, as others have noted.

I may or may not shave and put shoes on my knees for access to pierogi.


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Knees.

The shoes are on my knees.


NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
It is impossible to hide food from a growing boy.

OMG. Yesterday was all kinds of "fun" for exactly this concept.

Fluffernutter is supposed to be on two medications: Pepcid AC to help her eat, and Rejensa to fix her arthritis. She doesn't mind the Pepcid in her food, but the Rejensa is in chewable dog tablets, and even the feline vacuum cleaner kitten took one lick and spat one out. Mixing it in with the Fluffernutter's food, the cat treat lickables, or anything else doesn't help, so we've had to resort to the "nuclear option": Mix it with baby food.

Unfortunately, the chicken baby food just went on sale and was sold out at every store, so I had to get Gerber ham baby food, which is really at the bottom of the barrel in terms of what you can give your cats: Ham is pretty bad for them anyway, and of course being Gerber they can't not add crap to their baby food, so this one has corn starch, which is a known irritant for feline digestion. But, beggars can't be choosers, and I figured the Pepcid AC would help counteract the corn starch, so I put the medicated baby food in the room with the Fluffernutter and closed and (I thought) latched the door.

Unfortunately, kitten, being The Most Perfect Kitten Ever, is also brilliant. She got the door open and looted the baby food.

So yesterday was a LONG morning and early afternoon of projectile kitten vomiting (not as cute as it sounds), kitten diarrhea (their poops are toxic waste to begin with, so ugh), and calling the emergency vet because kitten was exploding everywhere and having the vet say, "Yeah, she'll work it through her system eventually."

Hours of cleaning later, she recovered.

And promptly went after the Fluffernutter's food again.

Really?

Its delicious.


Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I am... bemused.

I'm old enough and cynical enough to laugh at/scorn Tik Tok "life hacks" as only a Gen Xer can. "Really? You call that a 'hack'? Did you parents give you a trophy when you learned to tie your own shoes? Or can you do that yet?"

In seriousness: No, their parents didn't, because their parents probably never taught them that. They're young adults and late teens learning all this stuff on their own from the collective work of their peers and/or from doing research on the internet, and sharing what they discover back into that collective work.

We shouldn't be mocking and jeering them. We should be pointing at them and saying "They're doing what their parents should have done years ago - educating and improving themselves and learning new things - and choosing to share it with others rather than keep it to themselves."

GenX, and some of the older Millennials, are the ones failing to teach them these things in the first place - the TikTok self-educated "hack" trends are happening because someone in those older brackets failed to pass that education along somewhere earlier in their lives, and they had to learn it for themselves somehow.

Yup.

Gotta figure things out on your own, sometimes.

That sometimes leads to frustration in those who had a dedicated instructor.


Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I am... bemused.

I'm old enough and cynical enough to laugh at/scorn Tik Tok "life hacks" as only a Gen Xer can. "Really? You call that a 'hack'? Did you parents give you a trophy when you learned to tie your own shoes? Or can you do that yet?"

In seriousness: No, their parents didn't, because their parents probably never taught them that. They're young adults and late teens learning all this stuff on their own from the collective work of their peers and/or from doing research on the internet, and sharing what they discover back into that collective work.

We shouldn't be mocking and jeering them. We should be pointing at them and saying "They're doing what their parents should have done years ago - educating and improving themselves and learning new things - and choosing to share it with others rather than keep it to themselves."

GenX, and some of the older Millennials, are the ones failing to teach them these things in the first place - the TikTok self-educated "hack" trends are happening because someone in those older brackets failed to pass that education along somewhere earlier in their lives, and they had to learn it for themselves somehow.

The number of times my dad has made fun of me for not knowing how to do something he never taught me...

Mom tended to assume I would just magically...know...how to do things like shave, etc. She could get very upset if I asked her about things she didn't know that were attached to gender . For example, she gave me my great uncle's electric razor when I started shaving because she thought I would cut myself with a straight razor and noticed that I broke out horrifically with the cheapo disposables she gave me(she was particularly upset that the sensitive razors didn't result in less bumps). She was confused when the electric razor didn't work and bought me a fancier one from Sears. It also didn't work. After a while she gave up out of frustration. And she panicked when I tried to get out of those two particular lanes she provided.


lisamarlene wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

I am... bemused.

I'm old enough and cynical enough to laugh at/scorn Tik Tok "life hacks" as only a Gen Xer can. "Really? You call that a 'hack'? Did you parents give you a trophy when you learned to tie your own shoes? Or can you do that yet?"

In seriousness: No, their parents didn't, because their parents probably never taught them that. They're young adults and late teens learning all this stuff on their own from the collective work of their peers and/or from doing research on the internet, and sharing what they discover back into that collective work.

We shouldn't be mocking and jeering them. We should be pointing at them and saying "They're doing what their parents should have done years ago - educating and improving themselves and learning new things - and choosing to share it with others rather than keep it to themselves."

GenX, and some of the older Millennials, are the ones failing to teach them these things in the first place - the TikTok self-educated "hack" trends are happening because someone in those older brackets failed to pass that education along somewhere earlier in their lives, and they had to learn it for themselves somehow.

The number of times my dad has made fun of me for not knowing how to do something he never taught me...
SAME.
I got beaten once because I asked him what cleaning product I could use on a task he'd assigned me. He told me to try elbow grease. I'd never heard that idiom before (I think I was seven or eight), so I pulled every product out of the cupboard one by one trying to find it.

That is not right.

I am so sorry you went through that. That is outright wrong.


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NobodysHome wrote:

So... yeah...

I took 3 months off from FaWtL because I'd realized I was a sea of negativity in what was supposed to be a light-hearted, meaningless thread. Drejk finally convinced me to come back...
...and it took me all of 15 days to upset a few people again.

I do not relish being the troll. I'd rather not upset people at all, truth be told.

So I'm going back into hibernation, but this time with notice so you don't all worry about me.

I love you, I don't want to constantly anger one population or another, and I don't want to constantly self-monitor for fear of saying something that triggers harsh memories in someone.

Thus, I'll be moving on, and I wish you all happy trails!

....whut.

Get back here! Noone is mad at you!


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lisamarlene wrote:

Hermione was talking about one her Pinterest boards and pronounced the word "ombre" like "umber".

Now I keep trying to imagine an Ombre Hulk.

Thats how I pronounced it for YEARS before being corrected.


NobodysHome wrote:

So, apparently I'm mildew. No matter your best efforts and most modern cleaning supplies, you can't get rid of me.

Yet again I accidentally left Steam running last night. Yet again Drejk took the opportunity to pounce on me and scold me.

So, here's my take: FaWtL is supposed to be a light-hearted, silly, meaningless, random place. Kind of like Camelot.

And yet I come in, and post politics, and neighbors, and parenting, and bicycling, and whatnot, and I manage to offend quite a few people. I know I've pissed off Freehold, and LM, and gran, and I've at least irritated the living daylights out of Orthos, TOZ, and several others on occasion. Seems like the only people I don't upset with some regularity are the furriners. I don't remember Limey ever getting uppity with me, and Drejk keeps dragging me back here.

So, the honest question: Is FaWtL better with or without me? I feel like I get people upset, then I want to argue with them (yes, Orthos, I nearly killed myself holding in a response to your post, but that is not FaWtL's purpose nor place), and I feel like I detract from the overall vibe of the place.

I really am the unpleasant mildew that makes a place smell funny and be uncomfortable to be in.

So, preferably private poll: Would you prefer for me to stay or go? You can PM me the answer because I have rhino hide -- I was an 80s punker then a public school teacher; it's nigh impossible to hurt my feelings any more, and I sure as heck don't want somebody publicly posting, "Please get the f*** off the thread!" and getting crap for it. It's a perfectly valid response.

Drejk wants me back. So much so that he lurks on his machine at 1 in the morning on pounce on me if I don't turn off Steam. But how to others actually feel? I honestly want to know one way or the other.

GET OVER HERE!


Drejk wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Drejk wants me back. So much so that he lurks on his machine at 1 in the morning on pounce on me if I don't turn off Steam. But how to others actually feel? I honestly want to know one way or the other.

Not true! I wasn't lurking, 1 am is quite early for me - the only reason I am going to sleep now is because I am going to wait in queue in social security office tomorrow (and they close at 14, that is 2 pm, and the queues vary between 10 minutes and three hours, depending on how many pensioners have things to deal with), and I will need to get up early on Sunday because of planned Twilight Empire boardgame so I need to at least try to get earlier and earlier over the next few days.

I simply pounced on NH because I saw him active on Steam.

I too am on steam. Sometimes.

I will be purchasing Disgaea 6 before the sale ends, hopefully.


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Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
So, the honest question: Is FaWtL better with or without me? I feel like I get people upset, then I want to argue with them (yes, Orthos, I nearly killed myself holding in a response to your post, but that is not FaWtL's purpose nor place), and I feel like I detract from the overall vibe of the place.

I absolutely want you to stick around. I'm basically exactly the same myself, to the point where I have to step away from various threads on a regular basis to avoid getting into long drawn-out arguments all the time.

Sure, we disagree about things. That's life. The things we disagree about aren't things like whether people should have rights based on their skin color, sexuality, identity, or nationality. So everything else can be water under the bridge.

Even when I don't agree with you, I tend to find your posts some mixture of amusing, intriguing, and enlightening. I think we as a community here in FAWTL would be less for your absence.

I'll be the first to argue and disagree if I feel like you've put your foot in your mouth, but I wouldn't ever wish you to leave over it.

Orthos and I are agreeing on something!

I REPEAT- FREEHOLD AND ORTHOS ARE AGREEING ON SOMETHING!

Which FAWTL is experiencing the rain of toads, and which one has had their local river flow backwards?


Waterhammer wrote:
My feelings never get hurt on this thread. Even though no one thought my joke about slashing grapes with a sword was funny.

I thought it was funny...


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NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

So, apparently I'm mildew. No matter your best efforts and most modern cleaning supplies, you can't get rid of me.

Yet again I accidentally left Steam running last night. Yet again Drejk took the opportunity to pounce on me and scold me.

So, here's my take: FaWtL is supposed to be a light-hearted, silly, meaningless, random place. Kind of like Camelot.

And yet I come in, and post politics, and neighbors, and parenting, and bicycling, and whatnot, and I manage to offend quite a few people. I know I've pissed off Freehold, and LM, and gran, and I've at least irritated the living daylights out of Orthos, TOZ, and several others on occasion. Seems like the only people I don't upset with some regularity are the furriners. I don't remember Limey ever getting uppity with me, and Drejk keeps dragging me back here.

So, the honest question: Is FaWtL better with or without me? I feel like I get people upset, then I want to argue with them (yes, Orthos, I nearly killed myself holding in a response to your post, but that is not FaWtL's purpose nor place), and I feel like I detract from the overall vibe of the place.

I really am the unpleasant mildew that makes a place smell funny and be uncomfortable to be in.

So, preferably private poll: Would you prefer for me to stay or go? You can PM me the answer because I have rhino hide -- I was an 80s punker then a public school teacher; it's nigh impossible to hurt my feelings any more, and I sure as heck don't want somebody publicly posting, "Please get the f*** off the thread!" and getting crap for it. It's a perfectly valid response.

Drejk wants me back. So much so that he lurks on his machine at 1 in the morning on pounce on me if I don't turn off Steam. But how to others actually feel? I honestly want to know one way or the other.

I think I've been pissed off at you exactly once since I first met you, and that was many years ago when you were still drinking.
For you, I'll try...

..what about me?


Freehold DM wrote:
Which FAWTL is experiencing the rain of toads, and which one has had their local river flow backwards?

Today is rather rainy, yes, though I haven't seen any toads recently.


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
For you, I'll try...
..what about me?

I hate everything about the modern cyclist.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.


NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
For you, I'll try...
..what about me?

I hate everything about the modern cyclist.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

does donuts on bike


Freehold, you have a PM (I know for a fact that red dot can be easily overlooked).


Drejk wrote:
Freehold, you have a PM (I know for a fact that red dot can be easily overlooked).

I am excite.


In the continuing adventures of "Gen Alpha is bad at figurative language..."

Worksheet: Describe Elizabeth Lavenza's character.
Student response: Purest pure purity

Which, to be fair, is what I said as a sort of joke...but you'd think they'd know to reword.


Orthos wrote:
If there's anyone in Kansas or near enough, or if you know someone in that area, and they happen to be looking for or interested in adopting a dog, please share this link with them. Our baby girl needs a home.

unfortunately, I just dont know anyone in the area. Im really sorry.


Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

So, apparently I'm mildew. No matter your best efforts and most modern cleaning supplies, you can't get rid of me.

Yet again I accidentally left Steam running last night. Yet again Drejk took the opportunity to pounce on me and scold me.

So, here's my take: FaWtL is supposed to be a light-hearted, silly, meaningless, random place. Kind of like Camelot.

And yet I come in, and post politics, and neighbors, and parenting, and bicycling, and whatnot, and I manage to offend quite a few people. I know I've pissed off Freehold, and LM, and gran, and I've at least irritated the living daylights out of Orthos, TOZ, and several others on occasion. Seems like the only people I don't upset with some regularity are the furriners. I don't remember Limey ever getting uppity with me, and Drejk keeps dragging me back here.

So, the honest question: Is FaWtL better with or without me? I feel like I get people upset, then I want to argue with them (yes, Orthos, I nearly killed myself holding in a response to your post, but that is not FaWtL's purpose nor place), and I feel like I detract from the overall vibe of the place.

I really am the unpleasant mildew that makes a place smell funny and be uncomfortable to be in.

So, preferably private poll: Would you prefer for me to stay or go? You can PM me the answer because I have rhino hide -- I was an 80s punker then a public school teacher; it's nigh impossible to hurt my feelings any more, and I sure as heck don't want somebody publicly posting, "Please get the f*** off the thread!" and getting crap for it. It's a perfectly valid response.

Drejk wants me back. So much so that he lurks on his machine at 1 in the morning on pounce on me if I don't turn off Steam. But how to others actually feel? I honestly want to know one way or the other.

I think I've been pissed off at you exactly once since I first met you, and that was many years ago when you were still
...

I've been pissed off at you exactly once as well. Guess when?


Drejk wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Which FAWTL is experiencing the rain of toads, and which one has had their local river flow backwards?
Today is rather rainy, yes, though I haven't seen any toads recently.

Last week was the week for plagues of amphibians.


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NobodysHome wrote:

So, apparently I'm mildew. No matter your best efforts and most modern cleaning supplies, you can't get rid of me.

Yet again I accidentally left Steam running last night. Yet again Drejk took the opportunity to pounce on me and scold me.

So, here's my take: FaWtL is supposed to be a light-hearted, silly, meaningless, random place. Kind of like Camelot.

And yet I come in, and post politics, and neighbors, and parenting, and bicycling, and whatnot, and I manage to offend quite a few people. I know I've pissed off Freehold, and LM, and gran, and I've at least irritated the living daylights out of Orthos, TOZ, and several others on occasion. Seems like the only people I don't upset with some regularity are the furriners.

Here, we're all furry nerds (exact extent of furriness may vary), yourself included.


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Vets can be hilarious.

This morning, kitten had a terrifying limp. I sent a video to the vet and she said, "No, get her to urgent care."

All day kitten was lethargic, barely moved, barely walked, and we were incredibly concerned. Hundreds of dollars of sedation and x-rays later it turns out her leg is only sprained, not broken.

So they put her on painkillers and told me, "No climbing. No playing. She should just relax and be sedate for about a week."

A 4.5-month old kitten. Relaxed and sedate for a week.

Pull the other one.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Vets can be hilarious.

This morning, kitten had a terrifying limp. I sent a video to the vet and she said, "No, get her to urgent care."

All day kitten was lethargic, barely moved, barely walked, and we were incredibly concerned. Hundreds of dollars of sedation and x-rays later it turns out her leg is only sprained, not broken.

So they put her on painkillers and told me, "No climbing. No playing. She should just relax and be sedate for about a week."

A 4.5-month old kitten. Relaxed and sedate for a week.

Pull the other one.

They could ask you to keep a 4.5 year old kid relaxed and sedate for a week.


gran rey de los mono wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Vets can be hilarious.

This morning, kitten had a terrifying limp. I sent a video to the vet and she said, "No, get her to urgent care."

All day kitten was lethargic, barely moved, barely walked, and we were incredibly concerned. Hundreds of dollars of sedation and x-rays later it turns out her leg is only sprained, not broken.

So they put her on painkillers and told me, "No climbing. No playing. She should just relax and be sedate for about a week."

A 4.5-month old kitten. Relaxed and sedate for a week.

Pull the other one.

They could ask you to keep a 4.5 year old kid relaxed and sedate for a week.

THAT would be EASIER; I have experience with both.


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The sound of a kitten pouncing on a turntable…


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Apparently sleeping from 11p to 5a for years on end takes a toll. Who knew?

I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.

No drugs, not hungover, just aging.
I said to WW, "Is this what it feels like to be you?"

He was not amused.


The thought did cross my mind that maybe I'd had a TIA, but both halves of my body are functioning the same, and my speech isn't at all slurred.


lisamarlene wrote:
I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.

Wait, are you telling me that is not a normal feeling of waking up?!


Drejk wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.
Wait, are you telling me that is not a normal feeling of waking up?!

Not for me. I typically wake up before my alarm with my brain already in high gear.


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Just saw an ad for booking.com where there were vampires in the tropics, burning whenever they got out of the shade of the sun the were huddled behind.

It made me think of GothBard and Bats In The Sun.


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lisamarlene wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

So, apparently I'm mildew. No matter your best efforts and most modern cleaning supplies, you can't get rid of me.

Yet again I accidentally left Steam running last night. Yet again Drejk took the opportunity to pounce on me and scold me.

So, here's my take: FaWtL is supposed to be a light-hearted, silly, meaningless, random place. Kind of like Camelot.

And yet I come in, and post politics, and neighbors, and parenting, and bicycling, and whatnot, and I manage to offend quite a few people. I know I've pissed off Freehold, and LM, and gran, and I've at least irritated the living daylights out of Orthos, TOZ, and several others on occasion. Seems like the only people I don't upset with some regularity are the furriners. I don't remember Limey ever getting uppity with me, and Drejk keeps dragging me back here.

So, the honest question: Is FaWtL better with or without me? I feel like I get people upset, then I want to argue with them (yes, Orthos, I nearly killed myself holding in a response to your post, but that is not FaWtL's purpose nor place), and I feel like I detract from the overall vibe of the place.

I really am the unpleasant mildew that makes a place smell funny and be uncomfortable to be in.

So, preferably private poll: Would you prefer for me to stay or go? You can PM me the answer because I have rhino hide -- I was an 80s punker then a public school teacher; it's nigh impossible to hurt my feelings any more, and I sure as heck don't want somebody publicly posting, "Please get the f*** off the thread!" and getting crap for it. It's a perfectly valid response.

Drejk wants me back. So much so that he lurks on his machine at 1 in the morning on pounce on me if I don't turn off Steam. But how to others actually feel? I honestly want to know one way or the other.

I think I've been pissed off at you exactly once since I first met you, and that was many
...

When I missed you when you were in my area?


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lisamarlene wrote:

Apparently sleeping from 11p to 5a for years on end takes a toll. Who knew?

I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.

No drugs, not hungover, just aging.
I said to WW, "Is this what it feels like to be you?"

He was not amused.

If only he could be young, like me.

doesn't strain shoulder patting himself on the back


lisamarlene wrote:
Drejk wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.
Wait, are you telling me that is not a normal feeling of waking up?!
Not for me. I typically wake up before my alarm with my brain already in high gear.

I do take several nootropics to ensure brain fog in the morning is at a minimum.

Grand Lodge

I should get on that, especially with going back to a 8-5 on Monday.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I should get on that, especially with going back to a 8-5 on Monday.

Time marches ever forward, my friend.

It does help.

I wish I started them sooner.


Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Drejk wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.
Wait, are you telling me that is not a normal feeling of waking up?!
Not for me. I typically wake up before my alarm with my brain already in high gear.
I do take several nootropics to ensure brain fog in the morning is at a minimum.

I take noot-nootropics with my breakfast, to make sure I sound like Pingu all day long.


Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Apparently sleeping from 11p to 5a for years on end takes a toll. Who knew?

I woke up this morning at 9 with massive brain fog, feeling like someone had whacked me upside the head with a sack of wet concrete.

No drugs, not hungover, just aging.
I said to WW, "Is this what it feels like to be you?"

He was not amused.

If only he could be young, like me.

doesn't strain shoulder patting himself on the back

Cheater.


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gran rey de los mono wrote:


They could ask you to keep a 4.5 year old kid relaxed and sedate for a week.

That much easier. They're a bigger target for the tranq darts.


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Day 3. Kitten healing factor has fully taken over. Refused her pain meds and running around like a lunatic with a limp you'd only notice if you knew she'd been injured.

I think Stan Lee based Wolverine on an injured kitten.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
gran rey de los mono wrote:


They could ask you to keep a 4.5 year old kid relaxed and sedate for a week.
That much easier. They're a bigger target for the tranq darts.

WOOOO!

*hrrrghhh; splat*

Nap time now.


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Kittens #2 and #3 are through security and approaching the airport gate. If all goes well, we will be up to a 4-cat household in just over 5 hours.

And OMG. Current kitten was comatose on drugs for most of the day yesterday, so she has not stopped playing since 4:30 this morning. Cats sleep 16 hours a day? Not this little one...

[EDIT]...I type, as she curls up on my mouse pad and mouse and starts purring and falling asleep...


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Fantasy Monster: Strung Poppet

Strings from a puppet just attached to you, what could go wrong?


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NobodysHome wrote:

Kittens #2 and #3 are through security and approaching the airport gate. If all goes well, we will be up to a 4-cat household in just over 5 hours.

And OMG. Current kitten was comatose on drugs for most of the day yesterday, so she has not stopped playing since 4:30 this morning. Cats sleep 16 hours a day? Not this little one...

[EDIT]...I type, as she curls up on my mouse pad and mouse and starts purring and falling asleep...

I keep imagining them escorted by tuxedo cats with sunglasses on, one on the left and one on the right.


Freehold DM wrote:

Just saw an ad for booking.com where there were vampires in the tropics, burning whenever they got out of the shade of the sun the were huddled behind.

It made me think of GothBard and Bats In The Sun.

Tree.

They were hiding behind a tree. Not the sun.

That is a looney tunes esque way of avoiding Final Death.


NobodysHome wrote:

Day 3. Kitten healing factor has fully taken over. Refused her pain meds and running around like a lunatic with a limp you'd only notice if you knew she'd been injured.

I think Stan Lee based Wolverine on an injured kitten.

The Ecksy Bunch:

Fluffy Kitten.
Empathy.
Googly Eye.
Chimp.
Squall.
The Sea Gull.


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No matter what they say about animals and how they use their acute senses of smell to far surpass puny humans and their limited vision, I offer this counterexample:

New kittens came home. We will call them Stripey (F) and Blacky (M). Older kitten (Fluffy), continuing in her quest to be the World's Most Perfect Kitten, wasn't bothered in the least and tried to approach them to make friends. Blacky would have none of it and hissed her away, but Stripey was interested. Within 5 minutes, Stripey and Fluffy touched noses, so I let Stripey out of kitten jail and they started socializing.

Unfortunately, Fluffernutter heard the whole family in the living room and came out. She pointedly ignored kitten jail and pretended all the kittens around her didn't exist. She settled in on the couch. Stripey, seeing a white fluffy cat, ran up to her. And got the living stuffing knocked out of her wee little head.

She then started hissing at Fluffy, thinking Fluffy was the one who attacked her.

So yeah? Identifying by sense of smell? Not so much in kittens, apparently. "You were nice to me then beat me up! Hate you!"
"What?"


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NobodysHome wrote:

No matter what they say about animals and how they use their acute senses of smell to far surpass puny humans and their limited vision, I offer this counterexample:

New kittens came home. We will call them Stripey (F) and Blacky (M). Older kitten (Fluffy), continuing in her quest to be the World's Most Perfect Kitten, wasn't bothered in the least and tried to approach them to make friends. Blacky would have none of it and hissed her away, but Stripey was interested. Within 5 minutes, Stripey and Fluffy touched noses, so I let Stripey out of kitten jail and they started socializing.

Unfortunately, Fluffernutter heard the whole family in the living room and came out. She pointedly ignored kitten jail and pretended all the kittens around her didn't exist. She settled in on the couch. Stripey, seeing a white fluffy cat, ran up to her. And got the living stuffing knocked out of her wee little head.

She then started hissing at Fluffy, thinking Fluffy was the one who attacked her.

So yeah? Identifying by sense of smell? Not so much in kittens, apparently. "You were nice to me then beat me up! Hate you!"
"What?"

To be fair, "You were nice to me then beat me up!" does sound like a cat.


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*SIGH*. It's going to be a stressful week.

Fluffy's limp was way worse today and the whole area was sensitive. It's consistent with her overworking the joint so we're hoping it's that and we doped her up to sleep the day away. But we love her so dearly that we're terrified she won't manage to heal her way through this.

In the meantime, the new kittens are exactly what you'd expect from my brother. He doesn't believe that it's his place to tell animals what they can and can't do so they're completely undisciplined. Fluffy was raised by a cat fanatic -- she *never* uses her claws, didn't climb on the furniture for at least a week after we got her, and listens to us when we tell her not to do something. (Did I mention Perfect Kitten?) These two do whatever the h*** they want and, even worse, have been trained to climb over barriers. 24" puppy cage? It's what my brother used so it took Stripey under 30 minutes to figure out it was the same kind of thing, and now it doesn't even hold her for 2 seconds. 48" whiteboard? Jump on a chair to make the first half, then flying leap to catch the top of the whiteboard and get over. They think nothing of digging their claws into people to climb them, sticking their faces directly in people food, and otherwise trying to boss their humans around.

They are *so* kittens raised by my younger brother. So in addition to worrying myself sick about Fluffy, I have to teach two kittens discipline. They have already learned that ignoring "No" gets them a bop on the head, so "No" now results in them flattening their ears and continuing to do whatever I'm trying to stop them from doing. Now they're getting jail time in a room with closed doors. But it's work that a properly-trained kitten would already have been through.

Ah, well. At least they're young...

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