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When I was at SUNY ESF (this would have been the summer of 2019, I think), I had to take Calculus 1 & 2 at Onondaga Community College over the summer to get my course schedule on track. I was getting a full scholarship from ESF, but two 3-week math classes from a community college set me back just over a thousand bucks in total.


David M Mallon wrote:
When I was at SUNY ESF (this would have been the summer of 2019, I think), I had to take Calculus 1 & 2 at Onondaga Community College over the summer to get my course schedule on track. I was getting a full scholarship from ESF, but two 3-week math classes from a community college set me back just over a thousand bucks in total.

Lost your shirt on that one, did you?


I never went to college but every year I have to take a certified Insane Clown Posse Initiation class (or ICPI as they call it) Or it could possibly mean Interconnected Paver Installation. It's unclear from the class.


NobodysHome wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
When I was at SUNY ESF (this would have been the summer of 2019, I think), I had to take Calculus 1 & 2 at Onondaga Community College over the summer to get my course schedule on track. I was getting a full scholarship from ESF, but two 3-week math classes from a community college set me back just over a thousand bucks in total.
Lost your shirt on that one, did you?

Not really sure what you mean


Your post is the top of the page, per previously established FaWtL rules that means you have no clothes.

Unless everyone has been lying to me, which is also possible.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Your post is the top of the page, per previously established FaWtL rules that means you have no clothes.

Oh, OK. I'm so rarely at the top of the page that I keep forgetting that's a thing that happens to everyone, not just Freehold and NobodysHome...


It's been a long couple of weeks


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Speaking of which, a question for all the architects out there: you do realize that people actually have to use the blueprints you make, right?


David M Mallon wrote:
When I was at SUNY ESF (this would have been the summer of 2019, I think), I had to take Calculus 1 & 2 at Onondaga Community College over the summer to get my course schedule on track. I was getting a full scholarship from ESF, but two 3-week math classes from a community college set me back just over a thousand bucks in total.

ESF was where i Went. Go stumpies.

For onondaga I went back there to get a GIS degree when I Fubbarred my back. Nice little town. WINDY in the winter though. People used to follow my wind shadow to get into class...


David M Mallon wrote:
Speaking of which, a question for all the architects out there: you do realize that people actually have to use the blueprints you make, right?

The hideosity of modern architecture makes me believe that the answer is, "No."

"You actually built that atrocity? And even painted it the colors I told you to? What's wrong with you?"


NobodysHome wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
Speaking of which, a question for all the architects out there: you do realize that people actually have to use the blueprints you make, right?

The hideosity of modern architecture makes me believe that the answer is, "No."

"You actually built that atrocity? And even painted it the colors I told you to? What's wrong with you?"

The worst issue we've been running into on a lot of projects (our current commercial job is a particularly strong example) is wildly inappropriate scale on the blueprint. The current prints are at 1"=40', and a lot of the actual things that we have to install have dimensions and spacing at distances that don't break down to round numbers at that scale.

For example, some of the spacing for our plants was at 3/32" on the print, which comes out to be 3'9" on the ground. Also, trying to guess where 3/32" is on your ruler isn't fun when it's only broken down into 16ths of an inch. Not impossible, but really frustrating when you have to do it many, many times.

The final issue is that all of the trades are using the same set of prints, and tiny deviations at the blueprint scale translate to huge deviations during the installation. Today's head-scratcher was trying to figure out why we couldn't space out our trees to match the distance specified on the print. The answer? The parking lot we were planting trees around was ~10' narrower than it was supposed to be.


David M Mallon wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
Speaking of which, a question for all the architects out there: you do realize that people actually have to use the blueprints you make, right?

The hideosity of modern architecture makes me believe that the answer is, "No."

"You actually built that atrocity? And even painted it the colors I told you to? What's wrong with you?"

The worst issue we've been running into on a lot of projects (our current commercial job is a particularly strong example) is wildly inappropriate scale on the blueprint. The current prints are at 1"=40', and a lot of the actual things that we have to install have dimensions and spacing at distances that don't break down to round numbers at that scale.

For example, some of the spacing for our plants was at 3/32" on the print, which comes out to be 3'9" on the ground. Also, trying to guess where 3/32" is on your ruler isn't fun when it's only broken down into 16ths of an inch. Not impossible, but really frustrating when you have to do it many, many times.

The final issue is that all of the trades are using the same set of prints, and tiny deviations at the blueprint scale translate to huge deviations during the installation. Today's head-scratcher was trying to figure out why we couldn't space out our trees to match the distance specified on the print. The answer? The parking lot we were planting trees around was ~10' narrower than it was supposed to be.

I think I've told this story before, but my favorite-ever story about architecture was an article I read just as I went into teaching: When AutoCAD went into widespread commercial use, catastrophic building failures tripled.

Not because it made mistakes, but because before it came out architects added fudge factors to make up for the possibility of mistakes... which also took care of unusual weather conditions or loads. AutoCAD assumed everything would always be perfect, built everything precisely to code... and things happened.


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Where I work we have the giant master plan of the entire plot but they also have ones where they zoom in on the individual areas.

It doesn't mean they're always right but it's way less annoying figuring out where they're wrong.


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My son found a "Christmas ornament" on a nail sticking out from a utility pole in our neighborhood and brought it home for his sister because he thought she would like it.
It's technically a merman, I guess. A shirtless German merman whose lederhosen frame his six-pack and transition into a glittery gold mer-tail. With a Tyrolean hat.
It is very strange.


Definitely one of those I'm getting old slash we're living in the future moments

"So there was this really old web comic where one of the foxes is wearing an "I"m with stupid" t shirt and holding the globe...wow. really old web comic sounds like a weird phrase.


captain yesterday wrote:
Where I work we have the giant master plan of the entire plot but they also have ones where they zoom in on the individual areas.

I.e. "normal blueprints." We don't do any of that stuff in-house, so it's always luck of the draw as to who the general contractor and architects are, and what they're willing to give us. If you've got bad blueprints and a good GC, that can solve a lot of issues. Unfortunately...


David M Mallon wrote:
The worst issue we've been running into on a lot of projects (our current commercial job is a particularly strong example) is wildly inappropriate scale on the blueprint. The current prints are at 1"=40', and a lot of the actual things that we have to install have dimensions and spacing at distances that don't break down to round numbers at that scale.

This has been bothering me since I read it. For a Canadian, I have a weird amount of imperial in my head, thanks to my parents and generation, but am I missing something, or is that just either really weird (I thought crazyland inches and stuff were in twelfths and sixteenths and such?) or some sort of differently weird kludge to try to force metric onto an imperial grid? I know 1 m ≈ 40 inches takes up way too much of my mental headspace, but 1 [anything] = 40 feet is threatening to liquefy what passes for my brain. Need more sleep and/or caffeine.


1/4 inch scales to 10 feet. That’s actually pretty easy to work with. A typical U.S. tape measure is graduated with 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, and 1/16 inches.


Waterhammer wrote:
1/4 inch scales to 10 feet. That’s actually pretty easy to work with. A typical U.S. tape measure is graduated with 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, and 1/16 inches.

Coincidentally, I have just used a ruler to mark something in a notebook, and its inch side is divided into 1/16ths as well.

Sovereign Court

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NobodysHome wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Might I suggest that whenever a player does something thatstupid, offer them up as a sacrificial lamb.


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Fantasy Monster: Pot-of-storms.

A storm-and-lightning brewing cauldron created by ancient druids.


Waterhammer wrote:
1/4 inch scales to 10 feet. That’s actually pretty easy to work with.

Agreed, to a point-- the math is pretty easy, but you run into problems when you need X and Y to be installed at a width of, say, 2'. That comes out to 0.05" (1/20") on your print, and the only fractions of an inch you can actually measure have a power of 2 in the denominator, which, obviously, is never going to be a number divisible by 5.

Whenever that's the case, you have to fudge the numbers when you're doing your installation, or your build, or whatever, and if you have 30 guys on site from five different companies all fudging their measurements, you end up with a job that doesn't match the print at all.


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Combined enjoyment today. Rode my motorcycle in to see the Deadpool and Wolverine movie.


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David M Mallon wrote:
Waterhammer wrote:
1/4 inch scales to 10 feet. That’s actually pretty easy to work with.
Agreed, to a point-- the math is pretty easy, but you run into problems when you need X and Y to be installed at a width of, say, 2'.

Yeah. I can, theoretically, imagine real-life (as opposed to dungeon maps :) ) uses for plans scaled for 10-foot (sub-)units, but as a starving student in a big(gish) city, it is a purely hypothetical vision, at least from my bedsit.

The weirdo in me kind of likes the idea of a work-around to move between scales that results in things like plants spaced at 3'9" intervals, but there's that other side that would worry that it would provoke the landscapers into lobbing said plants at the architect's head during a site visit.


In practice the actual distances are going to be weird too. The height of the ceiling is for example, one two by four (which is not two inches by four inches) laid horizontally with an 8 foot stud (which is 8 feet) on top of it with a 2 by four (which is not two inches) placed horizontally on top of that plus the plywood....


Qunnessaa wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
Waterhammer wrote:
1/4 inch scales to 10 feet. That’s actually pretty easy to work with.
Agreed, to a point-- the math is pretty easy, but you run into problems when you need X and Y to be installed at a width of, say, 2'.

Yeah. I can, theoretically, imagine real-life (as opposed to dungeon maps :) ) uses for plans scaled for 10-foot (sub-)units, but as a starving student in a big(gish) city, it is a purely hypothetical vision, at least from my bedsit.

The weirdo in me kind of likes the idea of a work-around to move between scales that results in things like plants spaced at 3'9" intervals, but there's that other side that would worry that it would provoke the landscapers into lobbing said plants at the architect's head during a site visit.

The thing is, sometimes plants are heavy. But holes, those are easy to dig.


NobodysHome wrote:

I think I've told this story before, but my favorite-ever story about architecture was an article I read just as I went into teaching: When AutoCAD went into widespread commercial use, catastrophic building failures tripled.

Not because it made mistakes, but because before it came out architects added fudge factors to make up for the possibility of mistakes... which also took care of unusual weather conditions or loads. AutoCAD assumed everything would always be perfect, built everything precisely to code... and things happened.

Reminds me of my job at my second engineering internship. I was tasked with organizing the archive that went back about 70 years. The digital realm was a mess, once that got organized I was tasked with going through the physical archive to look for "documents of record", and other important stuff, to then scan those into the digital library.

Back in the day everything was drawn by hand* and there were even literal blueprints in the collection (which, incidentally, had been folded a zillion times and were a test of patience to get them to scan properly and had stains from coffee mugs and other things on them).

For some reason they used MicroStation in the 1980's and 1990's. Switched to AutoDesk products in 1999 to the present. The MicroStation files were a bit of a mess but I could understand them mostly but I did notice that they had many backup copies of the same file - the record was 142 iirc - and never less than a dozen or so. Often fully half of them titled "FINAL - Job# - Job Name". They were engineers so I get the redundancy but how do you name every file "FINAL" and not confuse yourself?

When they went to AutoCAD it took them about eight years to use it right. There is an 8-year 'gap' of totally unusable files in the archive there. By law they have to keep some of that (I think) to pass audits but it would never pass a quality audit. I fear for the peeps that live/work in some of those buildings constructed using AutoCAD circa 1999-2007.

* BTW the hand-drawn documents were 1337!; those dudes knew how to make clean lines with relevant notation.


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Mothman!


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MOTHMAN!!!


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captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.

*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.


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Monthman


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Mothman?


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Have fun seeing Shiro.


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Quark Blast wrote:
For some reason they used MicroStation in the 1980's and 1990's. Switched to AutoDesk products in 1999 to the present. The MicroStation files were a bit of a mess but I could understand them mostly but I did notice that they had many backup copies of the same file - the record was 142 iirc - and never less than a dozen or so. Often fully half of them titled "FINAL - Job# - Job Name". They were engineers so I get the redundancy but how do you name every file "FINAL" and not confuse yourself?

.final

.finaler

.finalest

.finaltrue

.finaltrue1

.finalomega

.finalomegatrue


David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.

Sounds like Verona,Wi.

It's because when they scraped down the top soil on the field when they built it they only put about 4-6 inches of top soil back.


"That's why you're the man in charge!" - Lead Designer to myself after I explained how I was going to pull apart and rebuild a wall that Former Coworker f@#&ed up on his way out the door.


David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.

Or Albany, California, whose "soil" is clay sitting on bedrock. My father didn't believe in using concrete to build fences, so instead made me and my brother dig 4' deep holes in the clay so he could put up fence posts. The two of us would take an entire day to dig one hole.

Of course, we were kids and it was all by hand, but still...


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Quick notes on northern Kentucky/West Virginia:

(1) Oregon has the rule, "One weed shop per Starbucks."
Northern Kentucky and West Virginia have the rule, "One Dollar Store per church."

(2) The friendliness of the South is either vastly overrated or we look too different to merit it. Yes, the people are friendly, but no more so than any of our other travels. We haven't marveled, "Wow! These people are *MUCH* nicer than anyone else on any of our road trips anywhere else!", but on the other hand, almost everyone we meet is uniformly friendly and warm towards us. Almost certainly because:
(a) We are obviously tourist money coming in, and
(b) we are always smiling, friendly, and having fun.
On the other hand, in spite of my concerns about being obvious Californians in the South, we've only had one woman snidely snap as we went by, "Going to the Bible Bookstore, are we?"

(3) The isolation of West Virginia isn't. Californians spread like locusts across the planet. Yet for many of the people in Point Pleasant, we were the first Californians they'd ever met. In the town with the Mothman Museum!!! What the heck?!?!?
My favorite quote: "I was thinking that Californians were all blonde hair and surfer dudes and stuff, but you guys are metal as f***!"
(We introduced him to Sabaton and Bloodywood and showed him pictures from some of the shows we've been to.)

(4) White, white, white. I come from an area that's only 50% white, so I'm used to seeing half the people around me being of other ethnicities. So it's absolutely striking when I come to a place and see almost no one of color anywhere. I think we've seen one Hispanic person on the entire trip (and we're from California, so that's unheard of), a few Asians at a Japanese/Chinese restaurant, and otherwise a handful of Blacks and everyone else is White. I know I keep calling this out and it likely makes me sound like a race-conscious loon, but it's more that the lack of variety in the people I see makes me acutely aware that I'm not in a place I'm accustomed to being.

(5) The obesity epidemic is real. I've never seen so many morbidly obese people. It seems to be close to half the population. I'm sure the food proportions have something to do with it (even at 2 meals a day we have to box everything because every order has *so* much food), but the prevalent sugar in everything has to be another major contributor.

(6) Inflation hit this area hard. As I've mentioned, being from the Bay Area we got accustomed to prices being 20% of what they would be in the Bay Area. Post-COVID we saw those prices go up to 33%. Around here, prices are 66% of what we'd expect in the Bay Area. That is insane. Kentucky's median household annual income is $60k. The Bay Area's is $128k. So prices here should at worst be a little under half what we'd pay. It explains the prevalence of the Dollar Stores, and a lot of their political leanings.

Anyway, gotta get ready for the trek to the Greenbriar.


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And the necessary(?) political ramblings:

Kentucky is red because it's already a socialist paradise:
The most striking thing to me about being here is just how fundamentally tone-deaf the Democrats are about how people in Kentucky live.

Kentucky already receives more federal aid per capita than any other state in the union (just over $12,000 per person in 2023). Then this money is spent extremely wisely: All the roads are well-maintained. Every town has a subsidized medical clinic that's free to all Kentuckians; they charge whatever insurance you have, take that as payment, and eat the rest. Public colleges are subsidized to the point that any Kentuckian who wants a 4-year degree can get one easily without having to go into debt. With the anti-tobacco settlement, anyone with enough land can grow crops to feed their livestock and receive subsidies for not growing tobacco.

Thus, even though people in general have horrifically low incomes and almost all the work has moved from mining and construction to service, a Kentuckian can grow up, go to public schools, get a college degree, work a service job for their entire lives, and retire on Social Security. Medical care is free, schooling is virtually free, and their basic needs are taken care of.

Now add in the religious/ethics angle: There is perhaps one Christian church per 50 capita. There's a strong independence streak; as Shiro put it, no one around here has a credit card because accumulating debt is about the stupidest thing you can do. In California, every low income area has at least half a dozen payday loan outlets to fleece the uneducated. I haven't seen a payday loan place in the entire state of Kentucky; instead, if they need extra cash, they pawn either their guitar or their shotgun (Shiro's choice of words, not mine) and sometimes manage to buy it back and sometimes they don't, and if they don't, lesson learned.

So now look at the Democratic message: Biden passed a $3 trillion infrastructure measure. This was wasted. Our roads were fine. Biden is trying to forgive student loans. Imagine how unforgiveable this is in the eyes of people who never accrue debt, and who are so careful with money that even payday loan outlets can't get a foothold here. Nationalized health care? We have great health care right now and they're trying to mess with it? No way!
It's already a solid red vote before you even start looking at moral issues, which I won't touch because third rail politics.

You learn a lot when you travel to other places and open your eyes. Trump may be a lying criminal, but eliminating taxes on tips would be HUGE to the people of Kentucky, and not a single element of the Democratic platform appeals to them in the least. Being here, I can't see the Democrats ever winning this state unless they completely change their tune.

EDIT: My bad. Kentucky is now the third-most reliant on Federal aid. But I recall there's a chart out there somewhere of Federal money going in to a state in all forms vs. Federal money coming out of a state (typically in the form of taxes), and Kentucky was the #1 deficit state where more Federal money was going in than coming out.

EDIT 2: I found a list of the states that receive the least net per capita, and indeed California was #10, but for some reason I can't find the states that receive the most net per capita.


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California Boy Much?:

NobodysHome: Where do you put your trash?
Shiro: In the garage next to the ATV.
NH: What about bears?


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NobodysHome wrote:

California Boy Much?:

NobodysHome: Where do you put your trash?
Shiro: In the garage next to the ATV.
NH: What about bears?

That's what the ATV is for.


David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.

I haven't thought about Ankeny since I finished my student-teaching. Wow.


Scintillae wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.
I haven't thought about Ankeny since I finished my student-teaching. Wow.

what's it like?


Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.
I haven't thought about Ankeny since I finished my student-teaching. Wow.
what's it like?

It's just a little city in Iowa, pretty basic. I only drove through it once or twice - my placement was a few miles away in an even smaller town.


Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.
I haven't thought about Ankeny since I finished my student-teaching. Wow.
what's it like?
It's just a little city in Iowa, pretty basic. I only drove through it once or twice - my placement was a few miles away in an even smaller town.

How long ago were you there?


*clicks buy*

Is that a purchase that I'll regret? We'll see...

*installs Aeterna Noctis*


David M Mallon wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.
I haven't thought about Ankeny since I finished my student-teaching. Wow.
what's it like?
It's just a little city in Iowa, pretty basic. I only drove through it once or twice - my placement was a few miles away in an even smaller town.
How long ago were you there?

2011.


Scintillae wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
But holes, those are easy to dig.
*Except in Ankeny, Iowa. There was so much clay and so many concrete chunks in the ground on this job that we messed up our auger.
I haven't thought about Ankeny since I finished my student-teaching. Wow.
what's it like?
It's just a little city in Iowa, pretty basic. I only drove through it once or twice - my placement was a few miles away in an even smaller town.
How long ago were you there?
2011.

Wow.


Has anyone seen Borderlands movie already?

Since I saw a trailer, I am expecting a trainwreck... But is it a flaming trashcan, or a disaster?


Drejk wrote:

Has anyone seen Borderlands movie already?

Since I saw a trailer, I am expecting a trainwreck... But is it a flaming trashcan, or a disaster?

The what now?! Lol I hadn't heard anything about it, at all.

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