I think Gran has accepted that hoagies, subs, and hot dogs are sandwiches. It is NH that feels it must be two slices of bread.
Gran's edge is whether it is actually bread being used. The distinction between bread, muffins, and tortillas is thin, but articulated. I am not sure I agree that this is the defining nature of sandwich, but it is inclusive enough to find a home for your grandmother's hot dog sandwiches.
rule 34. Your bread is someone's porn.
indeed, I have several pictures of this.
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I know I've been scarce a bit lately. My mother is visiting from out of town, and I have not seen her in some time. I hope all is well with everyone.
Also, hot dogs are sandwiches.
Please give her my best.
Wait, is a naked sandwich
a) one without bread
or
b) one without filling?
If it does not have bread - apparently it is not a sandwich, so it must be without the filling. Just condiments I suppose. Which is appropriate. Naked and gooey.
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I'm still grumpy but I have something to cut and several layers so I'm slightly less grumpy.
I like the whole "sandwich" discussion because it shows just how hard lawyers and lawmakers have it, and gives people some insight into just how ugly it is.
For example, "What is murder?"
"It's the premeditated killing of another human being."
"But what about euthanasia?"
"But what about the death penalty?"
"But what about xxx?"
Searching for exceptions is what both lawyers and mathematicians do best.
So, in terms of sandwiches, it seems that the generally-agreed-upon principle is, "One food substance enclosed in another."
It's hard to get any more specific than that. People on no-carb diets will vehemently argue that their ground beef patty between two lettuce leaves is definitively a "sandwich", although there is no bread involved, leavening or not.
I've been miscrontrued multiple times for my statement that it's "two" pieces of bread. A hot dog bun isn't always separated, but I consider a hot dog a sandwich. Same with a split roll. Just because the split doesn't go all the way through doesn't suddenly make it "not a sandwich". And I already accepted open-faced sandwiches (even a PBJ on only one slice of bread) to be an acceptable "variant" on the sandwich theme.
So Task #1: Define a sandwich.
Do plants have to be involved at all? Is a grilled chicken breast between two ground beef patties a sandwich? What about grain? Is the aforementioned ground beef patty between two lettuce leaves? They definitely have the expected form of a sandwich, but not the expected ingredients.
So, is a sandwich defined by its form, or by its ingredients? We can't really proceed if we can't even agree on that basic premise...
FWIW, my personal definition falls under
An item having a primary source of flavor and a flavor conveyance mechanism that loosely surrounds the source of flavor and that can be lifted from the plate and carried to the mouth by grasping the flavor conveyance mechanism.
As a personal preference, I believe that the flavor conveyance mechanism should be grain based, but I am willing to accept that non-traditional flavor conveyance mechanisms (e.g., the aforementioned lettuce wrap, a slice of ham between two slices of cheese, a slice of cheese between two apple wedges) may be termed by the apostates as a sandwich.
This does have the effect of requiring you to stretch the second part of the definition to cover hot browns and open faced sandwiches. Although I note that if you grab the bread underneath the roast beef and squeeze it around the roast beef, you have, in effect, met my definition.
I accept that the heretics and the apostates will not agree with my personal definition and do not choose to die on this hill, so they are welcome to define as they wish.
:)
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Man.
Now I wanna go to Portillos.
Always obey this urgeMan.
Now I wanna go to Portillos.
I would. But I am a day away from the closest portillos.
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Aaaaand... California Man asks, "What the heck is a Portillos?"
...aaaaand... the closest one is... in Bueno Park, California, an easy 401-mile, 6.5-hour drive.
For a chain sandwich.
I'm thinking I'll take a hard pass, thanks.
Aaaaand... California Man asks, "What the heck is a Portillos?"
...aaaaand... the closest one is... in Bueno Park, California, an easy 401-mile, 6.5-hour drive.
For a chain sandwich.
I'm thinking I'll take a hard pass, thanks.
Portillos is home to amazing foods. I'm willing to drive to Chicago of all places to enjoy some.
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So Task #1: Define a sandwich.
I refuse to go to Portillos. When they opened the one here in town, the crew sent to do the hiring, training, and get it up and running stayed at my hotel. They were terrible guests who almost got thrown out several times.
that is unforgivable. I am so sorry.
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F-ing sinus headaches suck.
I want one of these!!!
I used to have a crossbow pistol (60 lb draw) that fired that same size bolt. Those bolts are really inaccurate. It was still fun, but if you wanted to hit the target with any reasonable claim to "I meant to hit that" you needed to be no more than 10-12 feet away. 15 was asking too much.
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Oh My GoD!!! Just enjoy your food people! ~grins~
Besides, the GoD Sand-Wich! is an evil one and not to be trifled with. His realm on the 483 level of the Abyss is horrible!
Besides, that discussion about sandwiches does not cut the mustard. I thought that you all were bread better.
Where do YOU get off, telling me, my grandmother, and the rest of the people in this thread how to live? Who made you the god of sandwiches?Never told anyone how to live, just said what is and isn't a sandwich.
As for who made me the God of Sandwiches? The Lady of the Mayonnaise Jar, her arm gooped with radiant spread, held aloft the legendary bread knife Ginsu-ber from the bosom of Lake Hellmann's. Thus signifying that I, by acclaim of all the gods, old and new, shall transcend mere humanity and join all the pantheons as the God of Sandwiches.
gran gets cookies.
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Where do YOU get off, telling me, my grandmother, and the rest of the people in this thread how to live? Who made you the god of sandwiches?Never told anyone how to live, just said what is and isn't a sandwich.
As for who made me the God of Sandwiches? The Lady of the Mayonnaise Jar, her arm gooped with radiant spread, held aloft the legendary bread knife Ginsu-ber from the bosom of Lake Hellmann's. Thus signifying that I, by acclaim of all the gods, old and new, shall transcend mere humanity and join all the pantheons as the God of Sandwiches.
Listen, you. Strange women hiding in jars distributing butterknives is no basis for a system of theology. Supreme divine power derives from a mandate from the worshipers, not from some farcical pantryotic ceremony.
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Listen, you. Strange women hiding in jars distributing butterknives is no basis for a system of theology. Supreme divine power derives from a mandate from the worshipers, not from some farcical pantryotic ceremony.Where do YOU get off, telling me, my grandmother, and the rest of the people in this thread how to live? Who made you the god of sandwiches?Never told anyone how to live, just said what is and isn't a sandwich.
As for who made me the God of Sandwiches? The Lady of the Mayonnaise Jar, her arm gooped with radiant spread, held aloft the legendary bread knife Ginsu-ber from the bosom of Lake Hellmann's. Thus signifying that I, by acclaim of all the gods, old and new, shall transcend mere humanity and join all the pantheons as the God of Sandwiches.
aaand Orthos gets cookies.
As for who made me the God of Sandwiches? The Lady of the Mayonnaise Jar, her arm gooped with radiant spread, held aloft the legendary bread knife Ginsu-ber from the bosom of LakeHellmann'sDuke's. Thus signifying that I, by acclaim of all the gods, old and new, shall transcend mere humanity and join all the pantheons as the God of Sandwiches.
FTFY
I have never understood why mayonnaise was ever adopted as a foodstuff, but that's just me.
Well, since hot dogs are officially sandwiches now, I really relished this debate. I hope NH can ketchup to the rest of us on this point.
Celery salt.
Also, I never said the people of Portillo's were any good, just the food. True story, and red flag number 1 of many... MANY flags I should've seen over the years: my ex wife and I dated in HS before taking a long break from one another and eventually then getting back together, marrying, and divorcing.
What broke us up? She cheated on me, with one of my best friends at the time... who was not only an assistant manager of a Portillo's but a devout advocate of the entire corporation.
Yes, the people of Portillo's that I've encountered in my personal life have all been pretty bad. Their Italian beef and sausage combo however, served with hot peppers and a bit of cheddar cheese? Glorious!
I didn't know Portillos was so salacious.
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I have never understood why mayonnaise was ever adopted as a foodstuff, but that's just me.Because it is food lube that many people enjoy, and can be easily flavored to make many other sauces/dips/etc.
I cannot put into words how important lube is.
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Stick around and see the violence inherent to the system. Someone's gonna get oppressed.Listen, you. Strange women hiding in jars distributing butterknives is no basis for a system of theology. Supreme divine power derives from a mandate from the worshipers, not from some farcical pantryotic ceremony.Where do YOU get off, telling me, my grandmother, and the rest of the people in this thread how to live? Who made you the god of sandwiches?Never told anyone how to live, just said what is and isn't a sandwich.
As for who made me the God of Sandwiches? The Lady of the Mayonnaise Jar, her arm gooped with radiant spread, held aloft the legendary bread knife Ginsu-ber from the bosom of Lake Hellmann's. Thus signifying that I, by acclaim of all the gods, old and new, shall transcend mere humanity and join all the pantheons as the God of Sandwiches.
You can’t expect to wield supreme theocratic power just because some eggy tart threw silverware at you. If I went around saying I was god-emperor just because some whipped bint had lobbed a spatula at me, they’d put me away!
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I've never been to or remember seeing a Portillos.
I've never been to or remember seeing a Portillos.
Vany and I are kidnapping you!
Nearest Portillos to me is a 7 hour drive to Iowa. Pass.
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Oh look, a peasant that's about to be bloody.You can’t expect to wield supreme theocratic power just because some eggy tart threw silverware at you. If I went around saying I was god-emperor just because some whipped bint had lobbed a spatula at me, they’d put me away!Stick around and see the violence inherent to the system. Someone's gonna get oppressed.Listen, you. Strange women hiding in jars distributing butterknives is no basis for a system of theology. Supreme divine power derives from a mandate from the worshipers, not from some farcical pantryotic ceremony.Where do YOU get off, telling me, my grandmother, and the rest of the people in this thread how to live? Who made you the god of sandwiches?Never told anyone how to live, just said what is and isn't a sandwich.
As for who made me the God of Sandwiches? The Lady of the Mayonnaise Jar, her arm gooped with radiant spread, held aloft the legendary bread knife Ginsu-ber from the bosom of Lake Hellmann's. Thus signifying that I, by acclaim of all the gods, old and new, shall transcend mere humanity and join all the pantheons as the God of Sandwiches.
Oh, did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That’s what I’m on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn’t you? Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!