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[Nylarthotep]

Difference between muffin and cupcake?

Is a cupcake just a muffin with a toupee or is a muffin just a scalped cupcake?

EDIT: a NAKED cupcake so to speak.

No clothes were worn in the making of this post. Read at your own risk.

[gran rey de los mono]

Nylarthotep wrote:

gran rey de los mono wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

gran rey de los mono wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

Definition of sandwich

discuss

Hot dog?
Hamburger?
Taco?
Po'Boy?
Gyro?
Pita?
meatball sub?
Open face roast beef?
lobster roll?

Taco and open-faced, no. All the rest, yes.

Distinction that makes gyro yes and taco not?

Taco shells aren't really bread. Pitas are.

Difference between soft shell tortilla and pita?

Thickness comes to mind, but flour tortilla seems a lot like a skinny pita to me. Am open to counter points.

Tortillas are not bread. Pitas are bread.

[NobodysHome]

For sandwiches, I'd say the broad definition is, "A filling between two distinct pieces of leavened baked good."

So tacos, burritos, and gyros don't count because they don't satisfy the "two distinct pieces" part. A bit of nacho filling between two tortilla chips doesn't count because the "bread" isn't leavened.

So taco, gyro, pita, and lobster roll are out in my book. An open-face roast beef sandwich typically has the top either provided or implied, so I accept open-face sandwiches as a sandwich "variation".

"Muffin" vs. "Cupcake" is just sugar content. A cupcake is a muffin with a high enough sugar content. I'd guesstimate that number at around 15-20% by weight in the uncooked product, but I don't have a bunch of cupcake vs. muffin recipes next to me right now.

[gran rey de los mono]

Nylarthotep wrote:

Difference between muffin and cupcake?

Is a cupcake just a muffin with a toupee or is a muffin just a scalped cupcake?

EDIT: a NAKED cupcake so to speak.

No clothes were worn in the making of this post. Read at your own risk.

The method of mixing ingredients, which results in different texture. Muffins are made by combining dry and wet ingredients in 2 separate bowls, then dumping the wet onto the dry, and mixing just enough to bring it together. Cupcakes are made by creaming the fat and sugar together, adding the eggs, and then slowly mixing in the flour.

[Woran]

Nylarthotep wrote:

Definition of sandwich

discuss

Hot dog?
Hamburger?
Taco?
Po'Boy?
Gyro?
Pita?
meatball sub?
Open face roast beef?
lobster roll?

I'll eat them

[Freehold DM]

Woran wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

Definition of sandwich

discuss

Hot dog?
Hamburger?
Taco?
Po'Boy?
Gyro?
Pita?
meatball sub?
Open face roast beef?
lobster roll?

I'll eat them

lines them up for woran

[Mark Hoover 330]

NobodysHome wrote:

For sandwiches, I'd say the broad definition is, "A filling between two distinct pieces of leavened baked good."

So tacos, burritos, and gyros don't count because they don't satisfy the "two distinct pieces" part. A bit of nacho filling between two tortilla chips doesn't count because the "bread" isn't leavened.

So taco, gyro, pita, and lobster roll are out in my book. An open-face roast beef sandwich typically has the top either provided or implied, so I accept open-face sandwiches as a sandwich "variation".

"Muffin" vs. "Cupcake" is just sugar content. A cupcake is a muffin with a high enough sugar content. I'd guesstimate that number at around 15-20% by weight in the uncooked product, but I don't have a bunch of cupcake vs. muffin recipes next to me right now.

I grew up pretty poor and so we often made white bread loaves stretch by putting peanut butter and jelly on a single slice and wrapping it over itself. Is that NOT a PB&J sandwich?

[Nylarthotep]

NobodysHome wrote:

For sandwiches, I'd say the broad definition is, "A filling between two distinct pieces of leavened baked good."

So tacos, burritos, and gyros don't count because they don't satisfy the "two distinct pieces" part. A bit of nacho filling between two tortilla chips doesn't count because the "bread" isn't leavened.

So taco, gyro, pita, and lobster roll are out in my book. An open-face roast beef sandwich typically has the top either provided or implied, so I accept open-face sandwiches as a sandwich "variation".

"Muffin" vs. "Cupcake" is just sugar content. A cupcake is a muffin with a high enough sugar content. I'd guesstimate that number at around 15-20% by weight in the uncooked product, but I don't have a bunch of cupcake vs. muffin recipes next to me right now.

Sounds like you would also put hot dog, meatball sub (actually anything made at subway) in the NOT sandwich category since there are not distinct pieces of bread.

Where would you put hot browns?

https://kybershop.com/nation/encyclopedia-of-sandwiches-poster/

Sorry to link to commercial site, but it has the artwork that inspired my original question.

[Nylarthotep]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

NobodysHome wrote:

For sandwiches, I'd say the broad definition is, "A filling between two distinct pieces of leavened baked good."

So tacos, burritos, and gyros don't count because they don't satisfy the "two distinct pieces" part. A bit of nacho filling between two tortilla chips doesn't count because the "bread" isn't leavened.

So taco, gyro, pita, and lobster roll are out in my book. An open-face roast beef sandwich typically has the top either provided or implied, so I accept open-face sandwiches as a sandwich "variation".

"Muffin" vs. "Cupcake" is just sugar content. A cupcake is a muffin with a high enough sugar content. I'd guesstimate that number at around 15-20% by weight in the uncooked product, but I don't have a bunch of cupcake vs. muffin recipes next to me right now.

I grew up pretty poor and so we often made white bread loaves stretch by putting peanut butter and jelly on a single slice and wrapping it over itself. Is that NOT a PB&J sandwich?

Apparently not - unless the bread cracked into two pieces after folding.

And please be aware that I realize the ludicrous nature of the discussion. I just like picking at the edges of definitions. if ITEM X is a sandwich, why is not ITEM Y, which has more than superficial resemblance.

[Nylarthotep]

If you slice hardtack (generally considered unleavened) and put meat between it - is that a sandwich?

[gran rey de los mono]

Nylarthotep wrote:

If you slice hardtack (generally considered unleavened) and put meat between it - is that a sandwich?

If hardtack is bread, then yes. I would say no, as I consider hardtack to be more cracker than bread. A particularly thick cracker, perhaps, but definitely not bread.

[gran rey de los mono]

Nylarthotep wrote:

NobodysHome wrote:

For sandwiches, I'd say the broad definition is, "A filling between two distinct pieces of leavened baked good."

So tacos, burritos, and gyros don't count because they don't satisfy the "two distinct pieces" part. A bit of nacho filling between two tortilla chips doesn't count because the "bread" isn't leavened.

So taco, gyro, pita, and lobster roll are out in my book. An open-face roast beef sandwich typically has the top either provided or implied, so I accept open-face sandwiches as a sandwich "variation".

"Muffin" vs. "Cupcake" is just sugar content. A cupcake is a muffin with a high enough sugar content. I'd guesstimate that number at around 15-20% by weight in the uncooked product, but I don't have a bunch of cupcake vs. muffin recipes next to me right now.

Sounds like you would also put hot dog, meatball sub (actually anything made at subway) in the NOT sandwich category since there are not distinct pieces of bread.

Where would you put hot browns?

https://kybershop.com/nation/encyclopedia-of-sandwiches-poster/

Sorry to link to commercial site, but it has the artwork that inspired my original question.

Kentucky Hot Browns are open-faced, therefore not a sandwich.

[Mark Hoover 330]

If I grab 2 copies of Manna by the 70's group Bread, and throw some lunch meat between them, then consume the whole thing... will my throat be torn apart by hard vinyl proving the point that slapping something between bread is a sandwich?

[Mark Hoover 330]

Is a wrap sandwich a sandwich? If it is, then can I take a $20, commonly referred to in archaic slang as "bread", wrap it around bacon, lettuce, tomato and mayo and say I'm eating a sandwich?

[Mark Hoover 330]

What if I take a sandwich, the pre-prescribed 2 slices of bread with something between them, and put it between 2 breaded chicken cutlets fried to a golden brown with 11 herbs and spices, THEN dip the whole thing in batter and deep fry it, cover it in gravy, and serve it on a bed of mashed potatoes. Is that a sandwich?

[Mark Hoover 330]

Would it change anything if I did any of this in Sandwich, Illinois?

[Freehold DM]

Whatever you guys are smoking, throw it away.

[gran rey de los mono]

For the record, calzone is not sandwich either. It is filled bread.

[gran rey de los mono]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

What if I take a sandwich, the pre-prescribed 2 slices of bread with something between them, and put it between 2 breaded chicken cutlets fried to a golden brown with 11 herbs and spices, THEN dip the whole thing in batter and deep fry it, cover it in gravy, and serve it on a bed of mashed potatoes. Is that a sandwich?

No, that is a monstrosity. Or a KFC lunch bowl.

[gran rey de los mono]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Is a wrap sandwich a sandwich? If it is, then can I take a $20, commonly referred to in archaic slang as "bread", wrap it around bacon, lettuce, tomato and mayo and say I'm eating a sandwich?

Wraps are not sandwiches, as they rely on tortillas, and tortillas are not bread. Money is not bread.

[Mark Hoover 330]

If I make 2 banana bread pancakes and lay a Taco Bell Doritos Locos taco between them, is THAT a sandwich?

[gran rey de los mono]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

If I grab 2 copies of Manna by the 70's group Bread, and throw some lunch meat between them, then consume the whole thing... will my throat be torn apart by hard vinyl proving the point that slapping something between bread is a sandwich?

Records are not bread, so no sandwich.

[Mark Hoover 330]

If I bake a pan of corn bread, add a single pimento on top of that, then bake another pan of corn bread to top it, is that a sandwich?

[gran rey de los mono]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

If I make 2 banana bread pancakes and lay a Taco Bell Doritos Locos taco between them, is THAT a sandwich?

No. Banana bread is muffin, not bread. Pancakes are muffin, not bread.

[gran rey de los mono]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

If I bake a pan of corn bread, add a single pimento on top of that, then bake another pan of corn bread to top it, is that a sandwich?

Corn bread is muffin, not bread.

[gran rey de los mono]

I must now go to bed, where likely I will dream of bread.

[Mark Hoover 330]

According to the story, sandwiches didn't become sandwiches until English nobility declared it so. If that is the case, if I get the Queen to proclaim a burrito a sandwich, is it a sandwich?

[Mark Hoover 330]

gran rey de los mono wrote:

I must now go to bed, where likely I will dream of bread.

To quote a famous socialite "that's hot"

[Nylarthotep]

Thank you for joining in my delve into culinary semantic levity.

Several of these got legitimate chuckles and laughs.

[CrystalSeas]

Nylarthotep wrote:

Definition of sandwich

discuss

Hot dog?
Hamburger?
Taco?
Po'Boy?
Gyro?
Pita?
meatball sub?
Open face roast beef?
lobster roll?

Hard No

Hot dog
Taco

No
Gyro
Pita
Lobster roll

Yes
Hamburger
Po' Boy
Meatball sub
Openface roast beef

Absolutely
Bologna
Peanut butter

[captain yesterday]

Nylarthotep wrote:

Difference between muffin and cupcake?

Is a cupcake just a muffin with a toupee or is a muffin just a scalped cupcake?

EDIT: a NAKED cupcake so to speak.

No clothes were worn in the making of this post. Read at your own risk.

Cupcakes have more sugar in their mixes, less leavening, and frosting on top.

There is actually a huge, huge difference between muffins and cupcakes.

Said the former professional baker.

[Drejk]

gran rey de los mono wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

If you slice hardtack (generally considered unleavened) and put meat between it - is that a sandwich?

If hardtack is bread, then yes. I would say no, as I consider hardtack to be more cracker than bread. A particularly thick cracker, perhaps, but definitely not bread.

You know that pushes the disccusion toward even more basic question of "what qualifies as bread?"

[Mark Hoover 330]

Yeah, but what really does "qualify" mean? What really is "meaning?" What is the nature of the question, "what?"

[Freehold DM]

Drejk wrote:

gran rey de los mono wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

If you slice hardtack (generally considered unleavened) and put meat between it - is that a sandwich?

If hardtack is bread, then yes. I would say no, as I consider hardtack to be more cracker than bread. A particularly thick cracker, perhaps, but definitely not bread.

You know that pushes the disccusion toward even more basic question of "what qualifies as bread?"

ask the former professional baker.

[Drejk]

Ugh. I reached Sloth in Darksiders 3 and I consider quitting...

Repeated wide sweeps with ridiculous reach killing me in two-three hits combined with a boss that is bigger than camera view from close up. And the aforementioned poorly designed dodging system doesn't help.

[captain yesterday]

Freehold DM wrote:

Drejk wrote:

gran rey de los mono wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

If you slice hardtack (generally considered unleavened) and put meat between it - is that a sandwich?

If hardtack is bread, then yes. I would say no, as I consider hardtack to be more cracker than bread. A particularly thick cracker, perhaps, but definitely not bread.

You know that pushes the disccusion toward even more basic question of "what qualifies as bread?"

ask the former professional baker.

A dictionary will do.

[Nylarthotep]

captain yesterday wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

Difference between muffin and cupcake?

Is a cupcake just a muffin with a toupee or is a muffin just a scalped cupcake?

EDIT: a NAKED cupcake so to speak.

No clothes were worn in the making of this post. Read at your own risk.

Cupcakes have more sugar in their mixes, less leavening, and frosting on top.

There is actually a huge, huge difference between muffins and cupcakes.

Said the former professional baker.

Not arguing, but on a sugar scale - blueberry muffins. Banana bread muffins. Cinnamon roll muffins. Very sugary if bought commercially. Not sure about leavening.

Gingerbread muffins with cream cheese frosting - still a muffin?

[captain yesterday]

Gran had it more correct with mixing techniques also a big factor.

Admittedly people and businesses have been blurring the line between the two for quite awhile.

Personally I do not like frosting on muffins.

[John Napier 698]

Hello, everyone.

[captain yesterday]

gran rey de los mono wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

Difference between muffin and cupcake?

Is a cupcake just a muffin with a toupee or is a muffin just a scalped cupcake?

EDIT: a NAKED cupcake so to speak.

No clothes were worn in the making of this post. Read at your own risk.

The method of mixing ingredients, which results in different texture. Muffins are made by combining dry and wet ingredients in 2 separate bowls, then dumping the wet onto the dry, and mixing just enough to bring it together. Cupcakes are made by creaming the fat and sugar together, adding the eggs, and then slowly mixing in the flour.

This is correct.

Clearly gran belongs in a bakery and not a hotel.

Or at the least, a better hotel in need of a baker.

[Woran]

Freehold DM wrote:

Woran wrote:

Nylarthotep wrote:

Definition of sandwich

discuss

Hot dog?
Hamburger?
Taco?
Po'Boy?
Gyro?
Pita?
meatball sub?
Open face roast beef?
lobster roll?

I'll eat them

lines them up for woran

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[Vanykrye]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Would it change anything if I did any of this in Sandwich, Illinois?

The number of people living in Sandwich statistically doesn't matter.

(It's the best I've got for a town of 7k people in northern IL.)

[Limeylongears]

What about Sandwich, Kent, UK?

Also, something in a bap/barm/teacake/stottie is still a sandwich, even though that's technically a single raised dough-based item that's been sliced in half and then filled/spread.

[Woran]

We took Billy to the vet today to have him put to sleep. Yesterday he was just 'done'. Lay in the middle of the cage, alive, but not moving. Didnt want his cooked rice in the evening. Clearly in pain.
He was very lethargic today and he went quietly at the vet.

[Orthos]

=(

[Nylarthotep]

Sorry to hear about the loss of fur family.

[Feros]

So sorry, Woran!

[Mark Hoover 330]

I'm sorry Woran. I don't know anyone's beliefs around here, but I think Billy's in a better place. Whatever the case, I'm sorry for your loss.

[Vanykrye]

*hugs Woran*

[lisamarlene]

I'm so sorry, Woran. Big hugs.