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Emotional roller coaster here.
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girls...want to do things? What?It's great that my brothers are finally remembering I have kids (now that our son is old enough to notice, god forbid a girl would want to do anything).
It's not okay that their idea of spending time with them is to go snow tubing at Cascade Mountain at night on New Years Eve (I declined, going with my go-to excuse "we already have plans").
I mean seriously, what the f&~#.
You want to give them life experiences, how about one (just one) where they don't run the risk of getting injured or paralyzed.
I would fire them all out of a catapult, but they weigh too much, so I'd get done with all that cranking (while hearing how I'm doing it wrong) and then they'd just plop on the ground next to the catapult, and then being polite, I'd have to invite them to stay for dinner (which they'll insist on going to a restaurant).
Oh, don't even get me started. I will go full-blown, all-out nuclear political.
Let's just say that the number of social events they have attempted to exclude GothBard from, or even failed to even acknowledge her existence in the invitation, numbers in the dozens (if not hundreds).
I have once attended such an event (the Fake Russian's bachelor party), and GothBard is still bitter about it, because she (rightly) points out she would have had a LOT more fun drinking shots of vodka off Lenin's head than she did at *gasp*... a Chinese restaurant!
(Keep in mind that in its 1.5 miles, Solano has roughly TEN Chinese restaurants, so going to Vegas for Chinese was something the Midwesterners were very excited about, but GothBard was pretty fricking unhappy to be getting P.F. Chang-quality food while the guys were at a high-end steakhouse.)
I'm sure gothbard would not have enjoyed my batchelor party except for ONE part that was HILARIOUS.
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Sometimes "girl things/guy things" ARE the exclusion, speaking as a girl who would rather go to the WWI Museum than get my nails did. It's the assumption that "you are [gender], so you obviously aren't interested in [activity]."
It's (almost) never gaming groups. It's (almost always) family. Especially older, more conservative family with strong views of gender roles and gender separation.Wait, what?
As a member of an arch-conservative family, I have never experienced this. Weeeeiiiirrrrd.
(There have been “girl things” and “guy things” but never - NEVER! - have major family events had anything resembling planned exclusion. )
You want to go to the Royal Armouries in Leeds.
It's ace.
If I'm ever in Britain, I'll make sure it's on the list =)
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I'm pretty sure a bachelor/ette party is going to be nonexistent or an absolute joke in my case, seeing as the friend circle overlap is pretty 1:1 except for my work friends, and I find myself leaning more and more toward option "Oh yeah we went to the courthouse last week, did we forget to say something?"
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If I'm ever in Britain, I'll make sure it's on the list =)Sometimes "girl things/guy things" ARE the exclusion, speaking as a girl who would rather go to the WWI Museum than get my nails did. It's the assumption that "you are [gender], so you obviously aren't interested in [activity]."
It's (almost) never gaming groups. It's (almost always) family. Especially older, more conservative family with strong views of gender roles and gender separation.Wait, what?
As a member of an arch-conservative family, I have never experienced this. Weeeeiiiirrrrd.
(There have been “girl things” and “guy things” but never - NEVER! - have major family events had anything resembling planned exclusion. )
You want to go to the Royal Armouries in Leeds.
It's ace.
Do so!
The Wallace Collection is great, too.
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Im our case, my family likes to brag about all the places they'd take the nephews that were Crookshanks' age but they never reached out to us, and if I called them out they'd say "I didn't think she'd like that sort of thing" even now in their text they said "(and Crookshanks to)" as if she's an afterthought to Tiny T-Rex.
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I never had a bachelor party, thankfully.
I never had a bachelor party, thankfully.
I did! Like... two years after my wedding!
(My best man grabbed his brother and a few others and we all went out to P.F. Chang's, which is pretty big doin's 'round here.) :D
I'm pretty sure a bachelor/ette party is going to be nonexistent or an absolute joke in my case, seeing as the friend circle overlap is pretty 1:1 except for my work friends, and I find myself leaning more and more toward option "Oh yeah we went to the courthouse last week, did we forget to say something?"
Ooh! Ooh! Can I go! I'll play the bard and/or envoy!
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I never had a bachelor party, thankfully.I did! Like... two years after my wedding!
(My best man grabbed his brother and a few others and we all went out to P.F. Chang's, which is pretty big doin's 'round here.) :D
We moved to Seattle for five years right after we were married and by the time we got back I only had one friend not in jail or addicted to heroin or pain killers.
He's not the bachelor party type (though he is a part time security guard at a strip club).
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Im our case, my family likes to brag about all the places they'd take the nephews that were Crookshanks' age but they never reached out to us, and if I called them out they'd say "I didn't think she'd like that sort of thing" even now in their text they said "(and Crookshanks to)" as if she's an afterthought to Tiny T-Rex.
I dont understand. Any daughters I sire will be just as Freeholdian as their brothers. Unless they take after their mother. And even then, I would not keep them from trying video games, my little pony, reading, giant robots, roleplaying games, martial arts, sweet, sweet H, or cycling.
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I'm pretty sure a bachelor/ette party is going to be nonexistent or an absolute joke in my case, seeing as the friend circle overlap is pretty 1:1 except for my work friends, and I find myself leaning more and more toward option "Oh yeah we went to the courthouse last week, did we forget to say something?"
We went to the Winchester Mystery House and then out for crappy margaritas because I didn't want a standard hen night. I used the obligation of agreeing to a bachelorette to get taken to a thing that was on my list.
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I never had a bachelor party, thankfully.I did! Like... two years after my wedding!
(My best man grabbed his brother and a few others and we all went out to P.F. Chang's, which is pretty big doin's 'round here.) :D
We moved to Seattle for five years right after we were married and by the time we got back I only had one friend not in jail or addicted to heroin or pain killers.
He's not the bachelor party type (though he is a part time security guard at a strip club).
holy s@#+.
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I'm pretty sure a bachelor/ette party is going to be nonexistent or an absolute joke in my case, seeing as the friend circle overlap is pretty 1:1 except for my work friends, and I find myself leaning more and more toward option "Oh yeah we went to the courthouse last week, did we forget to say something?"Ooh! Ooh! Can I go! I'll play the bard and/or envoy!
Bachelor/ette gaming session totally sounds like something we'd do.
Granted it probably wouldn't be apart. That kinda ruins the point of a gaming group.
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In my case if not PnP it'd be NWN or TemTem. But probably PnP.
I want to beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee theeerrrrrreee.
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It's what I did in lieu of a bachelor party the first time!
(Admittedly, we weren't playing any PnP games - we were playing Heroscape; it was during my longer break from PnPs.)
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In my case if not PnP it'd be NWN or TemTem. But probably PnP.
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He's not the bachelor party type (though he is a part time security guard at a strip club).
You know, I've never understood the appeal?
Like, I hypothetically get it, but... you're getting married. Like, tomorrow. You got some fantastic views and experiences right ahead of you. Seems a weird way to celebrate fidelity.
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Im our case, my family likes to brag about all the places they'd take the nephews that were Crookshanks' age but they never reached out to us, and if I called them out they'd say "I didn't think she'd like that sort of thing" even now in their text they said "(and Crookshanks to)" as if she's an afterthought to Tiny T-Rex.I dont understand. Any daughters I sire will be just as Freeholdian as their brothers. Unless they take after their mother. And even then, I would not keep them from trying video games, my little pony, reading, giant robots, roleplaying games, martial arts, sweet, sweet H, or cycling.
I'm proud to say Crookshanks is into all those things, except the H, she best stay away from that.
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I live in the Midwest, any strip club worth going to is hundreds of miles away.
But yes I never understood the need for a bachelor party.
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Sweet H?
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He's not the bachelor party type (though he is a part time security guard at a strip club).You know, I've never understood the appeal?
Like, I hypothetically get it, but... you're getting married. Like, tomorrow. You got some fantastic views and experiences right ahead of you. Seems a weird way to celebrate fidelity.
you never do a batchelor party the day before. That is stupid.
Moreover, you get some free lap dances before you get married.
That's awesome. Because after you get married you go back to paying for them.
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I'm proud to say Crookshanks is into all those things, except the H, she best stay away from that.Im our case, my family likes to brag about all the places they'd take the nephews that were Crookshanks' age but they never reached out to us, and if I called them out they'd say "I didn't think she'd like that sort of thing" even now in their text they said "(and Crookshanks to)" as if she's an afterthought to Tiny T-Rex.I dont understand. Any daughters I sire will be just as Freeholdian as their brothers. Unless they take after their mother. And even then, I would not keep them from trying video games, my little pony, reading, giant robots, roleplaying games, martial arts, sweet, sweet H, or cycling.
if she's into it, she probably would never tell you.
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I live in the Midwest, any strip club worth going to is hundreds of miles away.
But yes I never understood the need for a bachelor party.
love batchelor parties. So much fun. Usually.
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Sweet H?
I'm just as lost as you, dragon.
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Sweet H?
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Ooookay that link needs a nsfw warning pronto.
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Ooookay that link needs a nsfw warning pronto.
actually thanks to you, I have a new tattoo to get.
Thanks orthos!
Where should I put it, I wonder? Outer thighs on either side?
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I don't care if she's into hentai.
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holy s+~%.I never had a bachelor party, thankfully.I did! Like... two years after my wedding!
(My best man grabbed his brother and a few others and we all went out to P.F. Chang's, which is pretty big doin's 'round here.) :D
We moved to Seattle for five years right after we were married and by the time we got back I only had one friend not in jail or addicted to heroin or pain killers.
He's not the bachelor party type (though he is a part time security guard at a strip club).
That's what I said.
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Arrghh I go out for my morning run(which didn't work too well), was experimenting going for a run on an empty stomach so I wouldn't get stitches, well I sort of got my wish but didn't really have the energy to run it fully. Yes, I did the bad thing and stopped and walked.
My timing was 33.42 compared to last week's 32.39.
And I looked at all the posts in FAWTL and started going "Arrrgghhh I'm never going to catch up!"
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In other story news...
I asked this in FAWTL's Discord (invites on request!) but I'd like to get opinions here too. =)
I've been meaning to get started on working on one of my many story ideas, and I figure this weekend is as good as any.
So I'm gonna ask you guys. Which of the following stories sounds most interesting to you?
1 - a war heroine claws her way to prominence amidst distrust and betrayal while a monster from the dawn of time wakes to ravage the land
2 - the story of a fallen villain's redemption and a continent wide conspiracy lost to her burned away memory
3 - a Nature vs Technology story with a few unusual twists
4 - a tale of an impending apocalypse at the hands of a scheming kobold
5 - a story of a group of heroes who defined the landscape of their homeland with their impact on history
Okay, so first - request :-D
Second, the nature vs technology, cause I know one of the twists from the other thread.
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1 - a war heroine claws her way to prominence amidst distrust and betrayal while a monster from the dawn of time wakes to ravage the land
2 - the story of a fallen villain's redemption and a continent wide conspiracy lost to her burned away memory
3 - a Nature vs Technology story with a few unusual twists
4 - a tale of an impending apocalypse at the hands of a scheming kobold
5 - a story of a group of heroes who defined the landscape of their homeland with their impact on history
2,5,1,3,4 for me.
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It's partly tone. Musketeers was, I believe, meant to be humorous. It fell flat. It fell especially so when you look at the protagonists vs. the antagonists.
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Monte Cristo, by contrast, is set up as deliberately showing how empty vengeance is. You see the lengths to which he goes to, and there's some catharsis for the reader, but you do get to see just how much it's cost him to hold onto the grudge for so long. It delivers. We're not meant to see Monte Cristo as a hero as we are the Musketeers, so there isn't the mental disconnect. It's not trying to be funny, so it doesn't disappoint when the jokes don't land.
And it doesn't mistake a villain protagonist for a designated hero. I was never under the impression that I was supposed to like Monte Cristo. There's a vicarious thrill in watching him pull off his schemes, but he's more a force of nature than a character...
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I think you need to view the three musketeers as more of a common man kind of thing. Sure the protagonists are flawed in their own way, but that makes them human. Milady essentially used people as her tools, made them take the blame for her.Although Aramis does that in the sequel, he eventually regrets his actions. If Porthos went around cheating rich widows of their money, there's no mention in the novels that they parted on less then friendly terms.
In Chinese we have a saying "Yi ge yan da, Yi ge yan ai" which translates to one is willing to beat someone and the other party is willing to be beaten. If those rich widows so yearn for Porthos company that they're willing to be cheated of their money, then it is their choice, no? You do pay for pimps and prostitutes too.
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It's partly tone. Musketeers was, I believe, meant to be humorous. It fell flat. It fell especially so when you look at the protagonists vs. the antagonists.
** spoiler omitted **
Monte Cristo, by contrast, is set up as deliberately showing how empty vengeance is. You see the lengths to which he goes to, and there's some catharsis for the reader, but you do get to see just how much it's cost him to hold onto the grudge for so long. It delivers. We're not meant to see Monte Cristo as a hero as we are the Musketeers, so there isn't the mental disconnect. It's not trying to be funny, so it doesn't disappoint when the jokes don't land.
And it doesn't mistake a villain protagonist for a designated hero. I was never under the impression that I was supposed to like Monte Cristo. There's a vicarious thrill in watching him pull off his schemes, but he's more a force of nature than a character...
** spoiler omitted **I think you need to view the three musketeers as more of a common man kind of thing. Sure the protagonists are flawed in their own way, but that makes them human. Milady essentially used people as her tools, made them take the blame for her.Although Aramis does that in the sequel, he eventually regrets his actions. If Porthos went around cheating rich widows of their money, there's no mention in the novels that they parted on less then friendly terms.
In Chinese we have a saying "Yi ge yan da, Yi ge yan ai" which translates to one is willing to beat someone and the other party is willing to be beaten. If those rich widows so yearn for Porthos company that they're willing to be cheated of their money, then it is their choice, no? You do pay for pimps and prostitutes too.
Sorry, but I don't buy it.
A character flaw can only excuse so much, and this seems a flimsy justification at best. If this makes them "human," then the takeaway is that humans suck. Your covering for Porthos could extend to Milady as well - if they're so willing to make her happy that they commit crimes on her behalf, it's their choice, no? A hero, if they're presented as a hero in the context of the narrative, needs to set themselves above the villain as being in the moral right through their actions. I fail to see how any of the Musketeers did this.
What may or may not happen in the sequels don't fix the fact that I felt like I absolutely wasted my time reading about the misadventures of these characters who are presented to the reader as the exemplars of their positions. The story failed to deliver anything meaningful or enjoyable to me as a reader, so I have absolutely no desire or incentive to give the sequels a chance because of how dreadful I found the first one. It hit the eight deadly words for me, and there's no coming back from that.
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Gotta side with Scint here. There's humans with flaws and there's despicable people that would be the villains in any other story, and the 3M very much fit into the second group.
The only reason whatsoever we have to consider them better than their opposition in the cardinal is that the author basically tells us to.
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And with that, I should have probably been in bed an hour ago. G'night all.
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Pah. Vengeance is its own reward.It really isn't. It never feels as good as your wronging felt bad. It never makes the pain go away.
I could give my gf a pair of pliers, a blowtorch, a knife, some salt, a car battery, and four days with her ex-husband tied up for her to torture, but it wouldn't make the PTSD from his abuse of her go away. She'd still wake up in the night crying with flashbacks and nightmares.
...and no amount of "but you got him back for it" would make the memories go away.
that doesn't sound like vengeance. That more sounds like justice.
Then again, I have been told I am vengeful person whose sense of justice is warped.
As my pastor used to say (and I think he was quoting someone else):
Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person will die.
Forgiving someone else isn't for them; it's for you. It's to help you get over your own anger and pain and hatred. They're toxic emotions. Studies have even shown people who hold onto those feelings start to develop negative physical associations with them.
Vengeance doesn't do anyone any good, except perhaps someone enjoying a good piece of literature about it.
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Pah. Vengeance is its own reward.It really isn't. It never feels as good as your wronging felt bad. It never makes the pain go away.
I could give my gf a pair of pliers, a blowtorch, a knife, some salt, a car battery, and four days with her ex-husband tied up for her to torture, but it wouldn't make the PTSD from his abuse of her go away. She'd still wake up in the night crying with flashbacks and nightmares.
...and no amount of "but you got him back for it" would make the memories go away.
that doesn't sound like vengeance. That more sounds like justice.
Then again, I have been told I am vengeful person whose sense of justice is warped.
As my pastor used to say (and I think he was quoting someone else):
Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and hoping the other person will die.
Forgiving someone else isn't for them; it's for you. It's to help you get over your own anger and pain and hatred. They're toxic emotions. Studies have even shown people who hold onto those feelings start to develop negative physical associations with them.
Vengeance doesn't do anyone any good, except perhaps someone enjoying a good piece of literature about it.
And even with the literature, the two best revenge stories I can think of (Monte Cristo and Hamlet) focus more heavily on the flaws of revenge and the cost thereof.
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Untouchable Fiery Beauty (Su)?Look But Do Not Touch (Su)?
Involuntary and embarrassing blood engorgement (Su)?
Hi, everyone.
*Waves*
I’m at the airport in Miami for Art Basel.
I was whistling to myself.
A sweet woman asked what the beautiful holiday tune I was doing.
I told her it was an old Germanic tune.
Firstly its a piece written for the musical Cabaret in the 60s I believe (You know the times where you could discuss the workings of a certain German political party without having to make 'the sign of the cross' and obfuscating any deep or uncomfortable parts of such a discussion with an constant stream of profuse refutation and denouncement of the subject matter as a whole) so I think you're actually more safe then you might think.
Secondly I kind of get it Baron.
I catch myself whistling the Panzerlied when I'm war gaming or at time when I'm playing something like War Thunder. I was brought up watching movies like the 'Battle of the Bulge', 'The Guns of Navarone' 'Tora!, Tora!, Tora!' and 'Sea of Sand' together with my father from a very young age, so a lot of those early images kind of stuck with me.
Okay, remember how I said this morning that I wanted to call in sick and lie on the couch with a pot of tea under a cozy afghan?
Well, I'm sick again. For the fourth time since school started. This time it waited four weeks instead of the usual three to hit me again. (Yes, I've been sick so often that I'm tracking it.)
So I dropped the kids off for their usual Thursday evening at Grandma's, slogged OVER AN HOUR to get home (twelve miles, but it's raining, so lots of accidents on the roads), made tea, climbed onto the couch under the seven-year afghan ** spoiler omitted **...
and discovered that the shady management company that owns our house is trying to cheat us out of the three days of motel stays from the recent electrical work, claiming that they had already credited us for it in August.
No, in fact, the credit in August was compensation for the fact that the house wasn't anything close to move-in ready and was, in fact, a stage setting for a minor scene in a modern film version of Dante's Purgatorio.
So I spent the evening on the couch under a cozy afghan with tea, working on financial projections from now through February.And I CAN'T call in sick tomorrow because tomorrow I have to give parent-teacher conferences.
*Offers LM another blanket, some hot tea, a glass of Rum and a six-pack of Belgian beers in case of a 'too sick to sleep properly night'.*
I feel you. The flue has improved somewhat, but Im still not better yet.
*Sends Woran some tissues, tea and Rum too (she's close enough to Belgium to get her own beers ^^)
I had forgotten how difficult night shift work can be.
Also, found out my younger brother is in the hospital. Going to go see him tomorrow.
I hope it isn't anything serious Icy.
*Crosses finger for Icy's brother*
In other story news...
I asked this in FAWTL's Discord (invites on request!) but I'd like to get opinions here too. =)
I've been meaning to get started on working on one of my many story ideas, and I figure this weekend is as good as any.
So I'm gonna ask you guys. Which of the following stories sounds most interesting to you?
1 - a war heroine claws her way to prominence amidst distrust and betrayal while a monster from the dawn of time wakes to ravage the land
2 - the story of a fallen villain's redemption and a continent wide conspiracy lost to her burned away memory
3 - a Nature vs Technology story with a few unusual twists
4 - a tale of an impending apocalypse at the hands of a scheming kobold
5 - a story of a group of heroes who defined the landscape of their homeland with their impact on history
My picks are:
2.
1.
3.
Honourable mentions (and my actual favorite): The story of a hero's fall to villainy and how far the hero's companions (the player) are willing to let their former friend, companion, lover slip for the sake of that connection.
Making some gory examples of some criminal elements in the city is alright…it keeps others in check!
How should we treat the captured conscripts of the rebellious lords? I mean they just conscripts right! They were just following orders! but...we can't exactly just let them all go...can we?
I mean they did raise their arms against our friend...and they did hurt or kill our soldiers on the field of battle...So what do we do?!
*A messenger delivers orders from hero*
Execute every tenth of them (Man, woman and child)! and put the rest to heavy manual labour till they drop!
*Looks worried at the rest of the companions*
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I'm in!
We are getting that down.
As far as should another country interfere that is gonna vary but I feel like if you leave bad people alone long enough they eventually make it your problem. I think there is a quote that gets used on the internet a lot about that. Something about WW2 etc.
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Realistic depiction of war. Good. Show kids what war is really like and maybe as the generations churn we'll be in fewer of them. One can hope.Book in question, if you were curiousUgh.
The good news about reading a book about the Vietnam War is that the kids get more background on a really rough patch of history.
The bad news about reading a book about the Vietnam War is that it doesn't pull punches on how senseless and cruel war is. Ow.
I work with Vietnam vets regularly.
It was.
I think American culture is rather gung ho about wars.
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There is a large subsection that I have noticed this with. Keep in mind we are a diverse country however!
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Clocking out. Good night, everyone. *Tags Vid in*
Sorry I was off work that day. Left ya hanging.
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Walking is my preferred method of transportation.
Who was the comedian that said. "You know they say flying is the safest way to travel but I have never been walking down the street then suddenly fell 10,000 feet and burst into flames."
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My favorite revenge story is V for Vendetta (both the movie and the comic) It does pull some bits from Count of Monte Cristo Which I also enjoy. I really like stories and movies that tie things up really nicely and everything fits together at the end. Probably why Brandon Sanderson is my current favorite Author.
And yes on the 3 musketeers things yes people suck yes no matter who we are talking about the best hero out there has flaws that balance out his heroics. Its a flawed world.
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I'm in!
We are getting that down.
As far as should another country interfere that is gonna vary but I feel like if you leave bad people alone long enough they eventually make it your problem. I think there is a quote that gets used on the internet a lot about that. Something about WW2 etc.
Never ever underestimate the (apocryphal) words:
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That's a lot of reading Kjeldorn.