Consider the source and ignore it!I am English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh, and I was raised Catholic, so I don't know whether to applaud or be appalled. ;)Sigh with relief and give thanks, of course!*Blink*
Meh. Happy "Gee your name is Patrick!" Day!
Ugh.
What do you do when you are raised Irish Catholic and then find out you are biologically Scottish? Punch yourself?
*blink*
When you through the French, German, Native American, etc in there I should probably be fighting myself.:)
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About a mile or two from my house a gas main blew and is shooting flames into the air near the intersection of two major highways.
Dang!
We were having an issue for a while where we could smell gas outside our house, we had the gas company come out and fix it (tore our yard up some, but better that than an explosion). A few days later we saw in the news that a house exploded in Pennsylvania from an unreported gas leak, and then there was that whole episode in California... Yikes!
About a mile or two from my house a gas main blew and is shooting flames into the air near the intersection of two major highways.Dang!
We were having an issue for a while where we could smell gas outside our house, we had the gas company come out and fix it (tore our yard up some, but better that than an explosion). A few days later we saw in the news that a house exploded in Pennsylvania from an unreported gas leak, and then there was that whole episode in California... Yikes!
Looks like it blew out the middle of the street.
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About a mile or two from my house a gas main blew and is shooting flames into the air near the intersection of two major highways.Dang!
We were having an issue for a while where we could smell gas outside our house, we had the gas company come out and fix it (tore our yard up some, but better that than an explosion). A few days later we saw in the news that a house exploded in Pennsylvania from an unreported gas leak, and then there was that whole episode in California... Yikes!
Looks like it blew out the middle of the street.
Hope nobody is hurt. That's a pretty big fire ball there. X_X
That's a pretty impressive pillar of fire right there.
That's a pretty impressive pillar of fire right there.
It's a BALL!
*PINCH*
That's a pretty impressive pillar of fire right there.It's a BALL!
*PINCH*
Thot thar be a pillar, matey! Now inta tha pot with ya!
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The explosion in Philly raised some interesting concerns/questions. Namely that the gas pipes throughout the city are old and are starting to corrode.
I think a lot of the cities are starting to breakdown in this area, and we might be seeing a lot more of this stuff in the future.
Roman Empire in 100 BC: Sure, we'll build you an aqueduct that'll stand the test of time.
Roman Empire in 450 AD: How the heck did the ancients build these things?
I drove by there about 8:15 and there was no fireball.:( I would have liked to see it for real.
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I am English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh, and I was raised Catholic, so I don't know whether to applaud or be appalled. ;)Sigh with relief and give thanks, of course!*Blink*
Meh. Happy "Gee your name is Patrick!" Day!
Ugh.
What do you do when you are raised Irish Catholic and then find out you are biologically Scottish? Punch yourself?
*blink*
Irish, German and Cajun.
I have St. Patrick's day...... Green Beer and Potatoes
Oktoberfest........Beer and Brauts
and Mardi Gras.........Beer and Btth
WIN!!!
The explosion in Philly raised some interesting concerns/questions. Namely that the gas pipes throughout the city are old and are starting to corrode.
I think a lot of the cities are starting to breakdown in this area, and we might be seeing a lot more of this stuff in the future.
Roman Empire in 100 BC: Sure, we'll build you an aqueduct that'll stand the test of time.
Roman Empire in 450 AD: How the heck did the ancients build these things?
The myth of the general decline of Roman technology is undone by the advances made in the Eastern half of the empire. Now, if you pour a bunch of invading barbarians into a society, sure, it's going to look like the West looked for some time. Taking in the barbarians in high numbers always comes at a high price. A history lesson some are loathe to learn today.
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The myth of the decline of Roman technology is undone by the advances made in the Eastern half of the empire. Now, if you pour a bunch of invading barbarians into a society, sure, it's going to look like the West looked for some time. Taking in the barbarians in high numbers always comes at a high price. A history lesson some are loathe to learn today.The explosion in Philly raised some interesting concerns/questions. Namely that the gas pipes throughout the city are old and are starting to corrode.
I think a lot of the cities are starting to breakdown in this area, and we might be seeing a lot more of this stuff in the future.
Roman Empire in 100 BC: Sure, we'll build you an aqueduct that'll stand the test of time.
Roman Empire in 450 AD: How the heck did the ancients build these things?
Kind of... there is a question of how exactly you define "Roman" at that point. Depends on your school of thought.
Edit: Also, the greek speaking half of the empire didn't need new aqueducts since they'd already had theirs for centuries at that point. For them, the issue was maintenance.
Has anyone heard a peep out of the newlywed?
The myth of the decline of Roman technology is undone by the advances made in the Eastern half of the empire. Now, if you pour a bunch of invading barbarians into a society, sure, it's going to look like the West looked for some time. Taking in the barbarians in high numbers always comes at a high price. A history lesson some are loathe to learn today.The explosion in Philly raised some interesting concerns/questions. Namely that the gas pipes throughout the city are old and are starting to corrode.
I think a lot of the cities are starting to breakdown in this area, and we might be seeing a lot more of this stuff in the future.
Roman Empire in 100 BC: Sure, we'll build you an aqueduct that'll stand the test of time.
Roman Empire in 450 AD: How the heck did the ancients build these things?
Kind of... there is a question of how exactly you define "Roman" at that point. Depends on your school of thought.
Edit: Also, the greek speaking half of the empire didn't need new aqueducts since they'd already had theirs for centuries at that point. For them, the issue was maintenance.
Well, any system of thought that denies the so-called Byzantine empire was "Roman" needs to go back to the drawing board. That they spoke Greek is not a reason.
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Well here you go, now suffer with the rest of us.Damnit!!!!! Now I do.I hope everyone has Prince stuck in their heads, now. :DNo, No I do not.I do not know enough Prince to get stuck in my head.
Win!
::does not click link::
Don't worry CrimJ...I got something in the works...
BAWLing is now one of my new terms. Thank you, Erik Mona, for enriching my life. It was worth the glory you took away from my rodent.
Things that are NOT BAWLish: FAWTL.
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Well, any system of thought that denies the so-called Byzantium empire was "Roman" needs to go back to the drawing board. That they spoke Greek is not a reason.The myth of the decline of Roman technology is undone by the advances made in the Eastern half of the empire. Now, if you pour a bunch of invading barbarians into a society, sure, it's going to look like the West looked for some time. Taking in the barbarians in high numbers always comes at a high price. A history lesson some are loathe to learn today.The explosion in Philly raised some interesting concerns/questions. Namely that the gas pipes throughout the city are old and are starting to corrode.
I think a lot of the cities are starting to breakdown in this area, and we might be seeing a lot more of this stuff in the future.
Roman Empire in 100 BC: Sure, we'll build you an aqueduct that'll stand the test of time.
Roman Empire in 450 AD: How the heck did the ancients build these things?
Kind of... there is a question of how exactly you define "Roman" at that point. Depends on your school of thought.
Edit: Also, the greek speaking half of the empire didn't need new aqueducts since they'd already had theirs for centuries at that point. For them, the issue was maintenance.
I think the context of the period made it pretty clear that you could call anyone "Roman" who followed in any tradition practicing the Nicene Creed. The changing context of the name makes things hard on historians to precisely say what "Roman" meant at any time after Caracalla's declaration of every freeman as a citizen.
Hieronymus Wolf's description of them as "Byzantines" is still weird, but contemporaries in the west did call the Eastern Empire as Imperium Griko or other such things.
Of course, we could also say that the Ottoman Empire was a successful continuation of the Roman Empire as well since their princes were descended from "Roman" Greek Basilea and claimed the title... So we end up with some weird meanings for the name.
BAWLing is now one of my new terms. Thank you, Erik Mona, for enriching my life. It was worth the glory you took away from my rodent.
Things that are NOT BAWLish: FAWTL.
I was going to ask and then I figured it out.
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I was going to ask and then I figured it out.BAWLing is now one of my new terms. Thank you, Erik Mona, for enriching my life. It was worth the glory you took away from my rodent.
Things that are NOT BAWLish: FAWTL.
I am still scratching my head on this one.
Of course I also want to chime in on the history lesson, but think it is safer not to.
Say, would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?
Say, would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?
NO!!
I was going to ask and then I figured it out.BAWLing is now one of my new terms. Thank you, Erik Mona, for enriching my life. It was worth the glory you took away from my rodent.
Things that are NOT BAWLish: FAWTL.
I am still scratching my head on this one.
Of course I also want to chime in on the history lesson, but think it is safer not to.
I think the context of the period made it pretty clear that you could call anyone "Roman" who followed in any tradition practicing the Nicene Creed. The changing context of the name makes things hard on historians to precisely say what "Roman" meant at any time after Caracalla's declaration of every freeman as a citizen.
Hieronymus Wolf's description of them as "Byzantines" is still weird, but contemporaries in the west did call the Eastern Empire as Imperium Griko or other such things.
Of course, we could also say that the Ottoman Empire was a successful continuation of the Roman Empire...
RE: The Nicenes, the popular meaning of "Roman" when applied to people was actually the opposite in the later part of this time period. It came to be a synonym with "pagan" (which originally meant redneck!) So yeah, terminology alone makes things difficult. But a whole laundry list of things I think makes it clear that only rank prejudice and certain ideologies keeps the term Roman from the Empire which transfered its capital to the East (which, of course, was done more than once). The other problem with the Nicene claim is that there were non-imperial churches holding to the Nicene creed that were actively persecuted by the Empire.
Contemporaries in the West were in direct competition with their own Holy Roman Empire, which only had geography going for its claim. But the fact that they called it the Greek-speaking Empire, and actively tried to benefit from such things as imperial marriages to buttress their own weak claims, actually supports the fact that they recognized the Empire as continuing in the East. It was more later prejudice that colored the issue.
I'm sorry, but it's hard to take the Ottoman suggestion seriously. Of course, they did try to capitalize on the conquest. That's how the crescent moon came to be the symbol of Islam.
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I think the context of the period made it pretty clear that you could call anyone "Roman" who followed in any tradition practicing the Nicene Creed. The changing context of the name makes things hard on historians to precisely say what "Roman" meant at any time after Caracalla's declaration of every freeman as a citizen.
Hieronymus Wolf's description of them as "Byzantines" is still weird, but contemporaries in the west did call the Eastern Empire as Imperium Griko or other such things.
Of course, we could also say that the Ottoman Empire was a successful continuation of the Roman Empire...
RE: The Nicenes, the popular meaning of "Roman" was actually the opposite in the later part of this time period. It came to be a synonym with "pagan" (which originally meant redneck!) So yeah, terminology alone makes things difficult. But a whole laundry list of things I think makes it clear that only rank prejudice and certain ideologies keeps the term Roman from the Empire which transfered its capital to the East (which, of course, was done more than once). The other problem with the Nicene claim is that there were non-imperial churches holding to the Nicene creed that were actively persecuted by the Empire.
Contemporaries in the West were in direct competition with their own Holy Roman Empire, which only had geography going for its claim. But the fact that they called it the Greek-speaking Empire, and actively tried to benefit from such things as imperial marriages to buttress their own weak claims, actually supports the fact that they recognized the Empire as continuing in the East. It was more later prejudice that colored the issue.
I'm sorry, but it's hard to take the Ottoman suggestion seriously. Of course, they did try to capitalize on the conquest. That's how the crescent moon came to be the symbol of Islam.
Not quite. The Greeks began to call themselves Romaioi at this time to show their new found Christian beliefs. They stopped calling themselves Hellenes because it had a "pagan" connotation to it.
I take the Ottoman claims of continuing the Roman Empire about the same as I do for anyone utilizing the title of Basileus after Heraclius ascent. Sure, there is a legacy... but it's not what it was. The Holy Roman Empire couldn't claim it either, I agree. I'd firmly affix the death of the Roman Empire to the ascension of Heraclius and the break down of the classic Roman institutions for implementation of the Thema system.
I am English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh, and I was raised Catholic, so I don't know whether to applaud or be appalled. ;)Sigh with relief and give thanks, of course!*Blink*
Meh. Happy "Gee your name is Patrick!" Day!
Ugh.
What do you do when you are raised Irish Catholic and then find out you are biologically Scottish? Punch yourself?
*blink*
I'm Welsh-Irish, but I'm a protestant....St Patrick's Day is confusing. ;)
About a mile or two from my house a gas main blew and is shooting flames into the air near the intersection of two major highways.
o.O
That's scary. Hope they get it contained quickly.
Spent my morning babysitting for a very cute eighteen month old. I miss that stage.
Huzzah! A historical discussion on partial religious matters not devolving into an argument. Lets knock it off before that changes. :)
Has anyone heard a peep out of the newlywed?Not since they went to New Orleans.
Hopefully they didn't do anything that I did during my last sojourn. o.O
Contemporaries in the West were in direct competition with their own Holy Roman Empire, which only had geography going for its claim. But the fact that they called it the Greek-speaking Empire, and actively tried to benefit from such things as imperial marriages to buttress their own weak lameness claims, actually supports the fact that they recognized the Empire as continuing in the East. It was more later prejudice that colored the issue.
FIFY and bolded for emphasis.
First Orthos, now Sharoth. Is there a dragon-hunting club around?
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I forgot they were going to New Orleans. I should have mentioned some places to visit.Hopefully they didn't do anything that I did during my last sojourn. o.OHas anyone heard a peep out of the newlywed?Not since they went to New Orleans.
They are staying at a hotel in the middle of the french quarter and the misses dragon is going to visit relatives while down there.
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LOBO RULES!! He says so.Other then I think the Ottoman claim is about as good as the Czarist claim.At first, I read this as Czarnian, and thought "Whoa, I didn't know CJ was a fan of the Main Man, Lobo".
My first experience with Lobo was in the 80's/90's JLA (DeMatteis & Giffen), back when they were travelling to rescue Mister Miracle. I've loved the character ever since.
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I think the context of the period made it pretty clear that you could call anyone "Roman" who followed in any tradition practicing the Nicene Creed. The changing context of the name makes things hard on historians to precisely say what "Roman" meant at any time after Caracalla's declaration of every freeman as a citizen.
It's true. Caracalla ruined everything. I've been to the baths he built, and they're nothing but a ruin.
I just did the personality test that was posted to this thread. I got ENFP. Now to read what that means ...
Oooh, I'm a Champion! Well, I'd best be off to defeat villiany and evil (or, um, work).
No wonder we agree on so much.
....if for no other reason than to prove that we're not all lazy, good-for-nothing drains on society. :PWe aren't?Well, I certainly don't believe I am. Your part of 'we' can believe whatever you like about yourself. ;)
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That?s an admiral sentiment Lindisty. I have been fortunate to come across government employees who seem to take the same approach you do ? it is a joy to deal with them. Unfortunately I find that sometimes these people are unable to provide the sort of service they want to due to ?the system?. And more unfortunately, just as often I?ve dealt with people who either don?t really seem to care all that much about providing good service, or who don?t seem to have the ability to do so. But I guess you get that in many sectors, whether government or private.
Anyway, don?t mean to get too much into a discussion about government in the FAWTLy thread, except to say it is excellent to hear from people like yourself who stick to their principles and do their best to help people.
ADMIRAL Lindisty? I likes the sound of that!!!
YES! Gettin' naked for the Admiral for TOP!