Since Pistols are not light weapons but one handed you take mad minuses for fighting two handed is this true or am i reading things wrong?
Since Pistols are not light weapons but one handed you take mad minuses for fighting two handed is this true or am i reading things wrong?
Ya i noticed that too.
On the other hand these are old world pistols, so am guessing they are bigger and heaver than a Western handgun.
The Iconic Character is Dual Wielding guns
actually the western revolver is quite a bit heavier than a single shot black powder pistol.
The chamber/barrel of a single shot is basically the same thing and with the relatively low combustion pressures comming for blackpowder pistols, the metal is neither high quality or dense, as it was in the much more modern "six shooters"
However there was a great deal of wood in those guns and more fluff than necessary for the weapon to function.
Honestly pistols need to be light weapons anyway.
Basically if people can't fire both pistols akimbo like the star of a John Woo film then the thematics of this class are completely wrong. This is definitely a case where the rule of cool needs to trump any sort of concerns about realism in regards to smooth-bore flint lock pistols and muskets.
Most gun fighters used two guns because it took so long to reload. When they ran out of bullets in one gun they switched to the other gun while drawing another fully loaded gun after that one runs. Things changed when speed-loaders and cartridges started to come around, everyone just started using one gun and carried around lots of ammo. Pretty much you're going to be firing one and reloading another in the same round when using pistols.
Most gun fighters used two guns because it took so long to reload. When they ran out of bullets in one gun they switched to the other gun while drawing another fully loaded gun after that one runs. Things changed when speed-loaders and cartridges started to come around, everyone just started using one gun and carried around lots of ammo. Pretty much you're going to be firing one and reloading another in the same round when using pistols.
by cartridges i think you meant magazine, cartridge is a bullet, casing, and charge in one piece of ammo.
even in the 1980s and early 1990s (before 9 mil became really popular) the snub nosed .38 was carried in pairs, shoot one then drop and draw the other one to keep firing. Was referred to as the 'new york' reload. hide away holsters are on the market still that will keep two of these weapons side by side in the same piece of leather.
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Since Pistols are not light weapons but one handed you take mad minuses for fighting two handed is this true or am i reading things wrong?
You are correcet, however Pathfinder has no handedness rules that I'm aware of. Therefore you can with two pistols fire twice before reloading with no penalties which has some merit.
by cartridges i think you meant magazine, cartridge is a bullet, casing, and charge in one piece of ammo.
even in the 1980s and early 1990s (before 9 mil became really popular) the snub nosed .38 was carried in pairs, shoot one then drop and draw the other one to keep firing. Was referred to as the 'new york' reload. hide away holsters are on the market still that will keep two of these weapons side by side in the same piece of leather.
No I didn't mean magazine, I was referring to the speed-loader and cartridge use for revolvers when they started getting popular in the 1800s. But I'm surprised the new york reload was/is still popular today.
But on the subject of dual wielding. I don't think there's going to be a light firearm. Not when being within close ranges turns the firearms into touch attack weapons. The penalties for two weapon fighting with one handed weapons will serve as a balance for the ability to attack as a touch attack multiple times a round
I think there will be a light firearm but it's going to be a holdout sort of weapon -- derringer style with a really short range, fairly low damage and possibly inaccurate (more so than normal) at anything pass the first range increment.
I would love a feat that would make dual-pistol whipping useful. Shoot twice beat the hell out of the opponents. Catch Off Guard cancels the prof. penalty for improvised now just something that allows the pistols to be light weapons for the purpose of pistol whipping.
by cartridges i think you meant magazine, cartridge is a bullet, casing, and charge in one piece of ammo.
even in the 1980s and early 1990s (before 9 mil became really popular) the snub nosed .38 was carried in pairs, shoot one then drop and draw the other one to keep firing. Was referred to as the 'new york' reload. hide away holsters are on the market still that will keep two of these weapons side by side in the same piece of leather.
No I didn't mean magazine, I was referring to the speed-loader and cartridge use for revolvers when they started getting popular in the 1800s. But I'm surprised the new york reload was/is still popular today.
But on the subject of dual wielding. I don't think there's going to be a light firearm. Not when being within close ranges turns the firearms into touch attack weapons. The penalties for two weapon fighting with one handed weapons will serve as a balance for the ability to attack as a touch attack multiple times a round
well in that case cartridges pre-date speed loaders by 100 years.
Saying something like when speed loaders and cartridges came around, sounds like you are saying they were in the same time period, not a different century.
Speed loaders and magazines however were only about a decade apart.
And yea, New york reload is still semi popular because the snubby .38 (saturday night special) is still very much an easily concealed pistol.
More of a plain clothes/undercover option. Duty weapons are of course all autos.
In the civil sector, there are alot of tried and true wheel gun fans, so alot of them still carry that way, and instructors are starting to re-teach new york reload with the advent of the super light airweight titanium concealment pistols.
The funny thing about a wheel gun is, they dont jam, misfeed, or get fouled up, if you pull the trigger, and the gun dont go bang? just pull the trigger again. alot of combat/self defense advocates like that feature.
I'm a big wheel gun buff myself, and happen to be a western six shooter hobbyist/fanatic.
1861 colts navys are pretty much my fav (although I wouldnt be caught dead carrying one for self defense, unless it was a cartridge conversion)
YD, im not sure i follow, explain.
Also I believe pistol whipping/butting with the stock should be a WP at level 1, just like the druid is proficient with all natural weapons.