To adress what seems to be an issue with the price of guns.


Gunslinger Discussion: Round 1

Silver Crusade

People seemed to be worried about the price of the guns, non gunslingers getting a hold of guns and selling them and what not ect..

I thinking maybe the gunslinger could build there own guns. All of the pieces could be made by a black smith but only the gunslinger has the knowledge to build the fire arm, or some thing of the like. And, guns being so rare in galorian, only those with the proper gunslinger training could use them, meaning no shop would buy a gun, there is no one to sell it to because no one can use it beside gunslingers and all of the other gunslingers have there own guns.

Also, some might say it is a disadvantage because other classes can go buy swords of +1 and what not, but you could make an upgrade system a gunslinger class feature. Because they build there own guns, they could also upgrade there own guns. There guns would be prized possessions they would keep for a life time.


i agree this is a lot better then "firearms"

Silver Crusade

In fact this could lead to maybe a new item type: heirloom item, simply put, these items can not be bought or sold, only given. In the case of firearms, you would need to have the gunslingers class ability to use it.

Dark Archive

It's a good mechanical solution, and one I approve of. Making the gunslinger the master of her own fighting weaponry just makes sense, given the relationship between gunfighter and firearm that a lot of genre fiction dwells on.

As a setting solution, it feels forced. Historically, the reason arquebuses and matchlock pistols spread in the first place was not their effectiveness. It was how cheap and easy they were to mass-produce, and how simple they were to shoot. They are truly simple machines, and saying "no blacksmith could figure them out" means one of two things:

1. The blacksmiths of Golarian are morons, or
2. Guns operate on some sort of sophisticated magic or wonderflonium rather than the simple idea of fire-meets-powder-and-boom. Which just forces us to ask "where are the simple guns and what's stopping people from making them".

Neither of these are satisfactory answers to me. The tech level of the setting seems 1500's -ish, so I have no problem with 1500's -ish firearms being in general circulation. They just won't be used in most places because giant conscript wars, mass-production, and huge supplies of sulfur aren't readily at hand. Far simpler to use the effective tools we've got right now.

I also like to think that, given the 4700+ years on the current march of history, someone's tried the firearms trick before. And it fell out of favor, supplies being so sensitive to a single wizard or rogue with a fireball or candle. There are more powerful and better ways to do things, hence the reemergence of firearms in the Golarion "modern era" being a strange and non-universal thing.

Silver Crusade

Yeagh, the idea that they are to complicated is forced.

Maybe in order for these firearms to be used "effectively" would require a gunslingers training. Therefore, no one without training as a gunslinger would want to have a firearm. There could be some severer penalty for using a fire arm with out the gunslinger class feature.

but i still like the upgrade idea and prize possessions idea.

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