Where is Citadel Dinyar?


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Where is Citadel Dinyar, HQ of the Hellknight Order of the Claw, located?

The two published descriptions (that I'm aware of) give locations that aren't consistent with one another.

"PF Campaign Setting, p192 wrote:
... at the headwaters of the River Iseld
"PF27 What Lies in Dust, p62 wrote:
.. in the Aspodell Mountains

According to the maps the headwaters of the Iseld are in the Menador mountains, while the the Keld rises in the Aspodells before joining the Iseld north-east of the Whisperwood.

Given this, and that PF27 came after the PFCS, I'm inclined to assume that Dinyar is at the head of the River Keld in the Aspodell Mountains, close to the three-way border between Cheliax, Isger, and Andoran.

Does anyone know of anything that's been said (other than the PFCS and PF27 lines above) regarding this?

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Ack! Vagaries! Likely stemming from rivers tending to be last things that get named on maps. In any case, the latter - in the Aspodells - is most succinctly correct.

As the Keld is a tributary of the Isled, I believe it still counts as a headwater, though - dictionary.com and wikipedia seem to differ some on their definitions, so I'll let any potamologists in the crowd sort our the distinctions. Regardless, it's right there around the easternmost tip of the Keld. For the exact point, you can see its tag in the upcoming Inner Sea Map Folio.


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

Ack! Vagaries! Likely stemming from rivers tending to be last things that get named on maps. In any case, the latter - in the Aspodells - is most succinctly correct.

As the Keld is a tributary of the Isled, I believe it still counts as a headwater, though - dictionary.com and wikipedia seem to differ some on their definitions, so I'll let any potamologists in the crowd sort our the distinctions. Regardless, it's right there around the easternmost tip of the Keld. For the exact point, you can see its tag in the upcoming Inner Sea Map Folio.

All headwaters are tributaries, but not all tributaries are headwaters. The definition is somewhat abitrary as to what constitutes a headwater, but in general they tend to be the closest to the source of the water that flows into the rivers, whether spring or glacial melt or what-have-you. I hope that made sense.

Obviously for your purposes as long as the one river is flowing into the other, it CAN be considered the headwater of the larger (if you want it to), and definately is a tributary of it.

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Words from people who know! Thanks Sasha!


You are very welcome. :D
And for my next lecture: watersheds and the significance of saddles (not the kind that go on the backs of beasts of burden)...

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