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Somehow I think Paizo and by extension Pathfinder would have done well without the edition wars. There was already a decent amount of people unwilling to make the switch to 4E. Who were unhappy with what the saw of 4E before thwe actually release of it. Trying to say that editions wars were good for Pathfinder is just another way to rationalize bad chidlish behavior on the part of some members of the fanbase.
If your main selling point is to point out the flaws in an rpg I like by thrashing it Im just not going to want to listen to anything you have to say. The edition wars almost soured me on PF and Paizo as a whole. I bet im not the only one who feel that way. So again no edition wars do not benefit anybody.
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If your main selling point is to point out the flaws in an rpg I like by thrashing it Im just not going to want to listen to anything you have to say. The edition wars almost soured me on PF and Paizo as a whole. I bet im not the only one who feel that way. So again no edition wars do not benefit anybody.
You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game, but with your bias it isn't really surprising :)
Somehow I think Paizo and by extension Pathfinder would have done well without the edition wars. There was already a decent amount of people unwilling to make the switch to 4E. Who were unhappy with what the saw of 4E before thwe actually release of it. Trying to say that editions wars were good for Pathfinder is just another way to rationalize bad chidlish behavior on the part of some members of the fanbase.
If your main selling point is to point out the flaws in an rpg I like by thrashing it Im just not going to want to listen to anything you have to say. The edition wars almost soured me on PF and Paizo as a whole. I bet im not the only one who feel that way. So again no edition wars do not benefit anybody.
The edition wars did polarize the base for the version of game you liked, and although there may be arguments on how much that influenced the success of either game, it is an influence that can be used. I find it a distraction, but others treat it as gospel, and the enemy is on the other side of the fence; before even trying to be critical of the game you prefer.
You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game, but with your bias it isn't really surprising :)If your main selling point is to point out the flaws in an rpg I like by thrashing it Im just not going to want to listen to anything you have to say. The edition wars almost soured me on PF and Paizo as a whole. I bet im not the only one who feel that way. So again no edition wars do not benefit anybody.
The best thing to referring to events that never happened is that you can make up whatever you want!
Canon bloat is something that those who manage shared worlds have to contend with. It's one thing when the initial creators of the shared world remain active in its development... but when those original creators move on to other opportunities or get fired or whatever, maintaining all of the world's canon becomes increasingly difficult. At a certain point, it becomes easier to reinvent everything than it is to keep up with what's already established. This is the primary reason, I believe, we see shared world shakeups, be they in comic books, novels, or RPGs.
Hmmm, where I did put that scroll of future vision... It's time to check Golarion within 10 to 20 years.
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The best thing to referring to events that never happened is that you can make up whatever you want!You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game, but with your bias it isn't really surprising :)If your main selling point is to point out the flaws in an rpg I like by thrashing it Im just not going to want to listen to anything you have to say. The edition wars almost soured me on PF and Paizo as a whole. I bet im not the only one who feel that way. So again no edition wars do not benefit anybody.
Thanks for reminding me about that Ryan Dancey thread. I'm still kinda sad inside that you never bothered to come back there.
You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game,
Yeah, I thought that the part where they explained how they all enjoyed 3.5 and thought it was a great game was an especially damning criticism of the game. Man, they really tried to make it sound like it sucked.
So how about them Black Sox eh?
Do ya think that they will make the play-offs for the world series?
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You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game,Yeah, I thought that the part where they explained how they all enjoyed 3.5 and thought it was a great game was an especially damning criticism of the game. Man, they really tried to make it sound like it sucked.
You really want me to dig out all those development diaries that go along the line "so...it was like this in 3.5. But we didn't like it. YOU didn't like it. So in the brand sparkling new 4e, we made it right."
Actually one kicks off a paragraph on 3.5 dying rules with "What we HATED" tagline. Ayup.
If yes I can do that, because it will nab me a double-punch of owning both you AND Cirno, which is a rare opportunity.
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So how about them Black Sox eh?
Do ya think that they will make the play-offs for the world series?
As a sCrUBS fan, I say NO!
Yes, that's it. Just a few more posts and YOU WILL WIN THE EDITION WAR!!! Don't give up!
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You really want me to dig out all those development diaries that go along the line "so...it was like this in 3.5. But we didn't like it. YOU didn't like it. So in the brand sparkling new 4e, we made it right."
Actually one kicks off a paragraph on 3.5 dying rules with "What we HATED" tagline. Ayup.
Can you post them for me? I need something to read during my shift...
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You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game,Yeah, I thought that the part where they explained how they all enjoyed 3.5 and thought it was a great game was an especially damning criticism of the game. Man, they really tried to make it sound like it sucked.You really want me to dig out all those development diaries that go along the line "so...it was like this in 3.5. But we didn't like it. YOU didn't like it. So in the brand sparkling new 4e, we made it right."
Actually one kicks off a paragraph on 3.5 dying rules with "What we HATED" tagline. Ayup.
If yes I can do that, because it will nab me a double-punch of owning both you AND Cirno, which is a rare opportunity.
Please. I'd love to see you demonstrate that the game's designers criticizing parts of their own game that they were redesigning to improve them qualifies as them telling us that the game as a whole was crap, especially given that they also stated that 3.5 was a great game that they all enjoyed.
Oh, and the fact that your motivation here is "owning both [me] and Cirno," speaks volumes about you, personally. You twist game designers' words to suit your personal agenda, you misconstrue self-criticism as an attack on you and your gaming habits, and you have some sort of weird personal internet vendetta against Cirno and myself. It's fairly troubling.
Or you could decide that you'd rather just enjoy the game you like to play, and save the attacks on industry professionals and games you don't play for...well, for never.
As a sCrUBS fan, I say NO!So how about them Black Sox eh?
Do ya think that they will make the play-offs for the world series?
Shoeless Joe Jackson would have to bat very well to for them to make it.
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Just like a politician TOZ you focus on the negatives. You promote spin and deception all the while deflecting legitimate enquiry.
You wont tell us your polices because you don't have any polices and I see from previous posts that you are either pro or anti smurf when it suits you to pander to the various interest groups that support you.
It has been said that you are in the pocket of "Big Smurf", "Big Care Bear" and "Big Barney".
See what I did there... TOZ made it all about you.
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You clearly missed the point where 4e advertising did what it could to tell us that 3.5 was a crap game,Yeah, I thought that the part where they explained how they all enjoyed 3.5 and thought it was a great game was an especially damning criticism of the game. Man, they really tried to make it sound like it sucked.You really want me to dig out all those development diaries that go along the line "so...it was like this in 3.5. But we didn't like it. YOU didn't like it. So in the brand sparkling new 4e, we made it right."
Actually one kicks off a paragraph on 3.5 dying rules with "What we HATED" tagline. Ayup.
If yes I can do that, because it will nab me a double-punch of owning both you AND Cirno, which is a rare opportunity.
Please. I'd love to see you demonstrate that the game's designers criticizing parts of their own game that they were redesigning to improve them qualifies as them telling us that the game as a whole was crap, especially given that they also stated that 3.5 was a great game that they all enjoyed.
Oh, and the fact that your motivation here is "owning both [me] and Cirno," speaks volumes about you, personally. You twist game designers' words to suit your personal agenda, you misconstrue self-criticism as an attack on you and your gaming habits, and you have some sort of weird personal internet vendetta against Cirno and myself. It's fairly troubling.
Sure. That's the "What we hated" one. Hate is rather a strong word, I hope you agree.
Then let's pick two more for a good measure:
Now, what impression I got from those is that by using 3.5 I'm playing a flawed ruleset. That there are fundamental problems which are about to be fixed. In areas such as dying or the core mechanic, which are rather important.
Of course, your impressions could have been different, and I honestly didn't bother to comb thru, say, Gamer_Zero interviews on Youtube (mostly because watching Mike Lescault makes my hair fall out), and it is perfectly possible that your impression of the whole matter is wholly different. No problem with that, and it's not like I'm on some holy quest to convince you otherwise (not that it's possible).
Just so we both understand where we're coming from, right?
Sure. That's the "What we hated" one. Hate is rather a strong word, I hope you agree.
Then let's pick two more for a good measure:
Maybe this
and this.
Now, what impression I got from those is that by using 3.5 I'm playing a flawed ruleset. That there are fundamental problems which are about to be fixed. In areas such as dying or the core mechanic, which are rather important.
Of course, your impressions could have been different, and I honestly didn't bother to comb thru, say, Gamer_Zero interviews on Youtube (mostly because watching Mike Lescault makes my hair fall out), and it is perfectly possible that your impression of the whole matter is wholly different. No problem with that, and it's not like I'm on some holy quest to convince you otherwise (not that it's possible).
Just so we both understand where we're coming from, right?
Pwnage! This will be the post that ends the war. I'm sure of it!
Please. I'd love to see you demonstrate that the game's designers criticizing parts of their own game that they were redesigning to improve them qualifies as them telling us that the game as a whole was crap, especially given that they also stated that 3.5 was a great game that they all enjoyed.
Oh, and the fact that your motivation here is "owning both [me] and Cirno," speaks volumes about you, personally. You twist game designers' words to suit your personal agenda, you misconstrue self-criticism as an attack on you and your gaming habits, and you have some sort of weird personal internet vendetta against Cirno and myself. It's fairly troubling.
Or you could decide that you'd rather just enjoy the game you like to play, and save the attacks on industry professionals and games you don't play for...well, for never.
Zing! Awesome post! Fight the good fight!
And just for good measure...smurf!
And just for good measure...smurf!
I see your smurf and raise you a smurf.
I think this thread is done. Thread locked.