DR question

[Cylerist]

In the universal monster rules it states "A creature
with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful)
can overcome this type of damage reduction with its
natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons
or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments)
that matched the subtype(s) of the creature".

Yet in some creatures in their special ability descriptions it specificaly says that their attacks bypass alignment DR even when the creature has that sub type.

Just wondering why it is called out for some monsters and not others when the universal monster rules covers it.

The thanatotic titan is even more confusing as it says "A thanatotic titan’s attacks are treated as epic and
evil for the purposes of overcoming damage reduction", but it also has the "choatic subtype" so it should also count as chaotic for over comming DR, so was "chaotic" left out for a reason making them different from the universal monster rules or just missed?

Sorry for the long post, my basic question is why do some monsters spell out what DR they over come when it is covered by their subtype and universal monster rules.

[Evil Lincoln]

Unless the specific text countermands the rules from type, they get everything from their type and subtype. Therefore, the titan's attacks are evil, epic, and chaotic.

In order for the subtype to go uncounted, the entry would have to say "instead of chaotic" or otherwise remove the power gained from subtype.

[Cylerist]

Evil Lincoln wrote:

Unless the specific text countermands the rules from type, they get everything from their type and subtype. Therefore, the titan's attacks are evil, epic, and chaotic.

In order for the subtype to go uncounted, the entry would have to say "instead of chaotic" or otherwise remove the power gained from subtype.

Thanks.

That is what I thought but it seems odd that sometimes they spell it out and other time they let the universal monster rules "handle it".

[Phasics]

Cylerist wrote:

Evil Lincoln wrote:

Unless the specific text countermands the rules from type, they get everything from their type and subtype. Therefore, the titan's attacks are evil, epic, and chaotic.

In order for the subtype to go uncounted, the entry would have to say "instead of chaotic" or otherwise remove the power gained from subtype.

Thanks.

That is what I thought but it seems odd that sometimes they spell it out and other time they let the universal monster rules "handle it".

consider it a backup incase they forget to spell it out in some stat block there is a universal rule which applies so they don't need to print an errata for that particular monster.

[Elven_Blades]

This is referring to creatures with Alignment Subtypes, not just creatures with an alignment. For example, a human necromancer may be evil, but humans don't have the evil subtype. A demon on the other hand is from an evil plane of existence and, as shown in its stat block, is a...

CE medium outsider (chaotic, demon, evil, extraplanar).

Alignment: Chaotic Evi
Size: medium
Creature type: Outsider
Subtypes: chaotic, demon, evil, extraplanar.

It's attacks would bypass DR as if they were Chaotic and/or Evil weapons

Compared to the necromancer in the example, which would be...
CE medium humanoid
Notice the lack of subtype. It's attacks will not count as anything for overcoming DR.

I think the specific reason for re-stating it in each stat block is simply a reminder. Several other things that are part of creature types also feet restated in this way.