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1) Has anyone done a breakdown of who controls what within cheliax and its teritories past and present (Galt,Andoran) in regard to the nobles?
2) Has anyone made a map with boundries and Noble house seals?
3) Was their house seals in Council of Thieves?
4) Are their any resources you know of that deal with the Nobility within Cheliax?
5) What is the relationship like between Cheliax and Nidal?
6) Do any Nobles own land within both countries, if so who/m?
7) Is there Nobility in the sense of land holders within Nidal if so insert the above questions for Nidal as well?
8) Is there a Noble human house that "oversees" the Gnomes holdings?
9) Are there Gnomish Nobles, & if so are they recognized by House Thrune?
10) Thank you very much for the info I am currently running a game within Cheliax so the more I know the better.
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There is nothing in the much-disapointing Guide to Cheliax on any of your questions.
I've avoided CoT spoilers cuz I'm hoping I can get someone else to DM and run it for me, so I don't know.
Pathfinder.wikia.com may have some superficial stuff for you but I've read over its Cheliax entries quite a bit and, going over your questions, it seems a "no-info" deal.
The small handful of Modules in Cheliax (and 1 in Nidal) have been very ambiguous on "where exactly" stuff takes place, no help there.
I'm gonna start reading the Dave Gross novel pretty soon (hopefully by the end of Jan) and I "know" it takes place in Cheliax -- or maybe some in Cheliax and some in Varisia? Novels tend to have lots of peripheral setting info, so maybe.
Likely we'll have to wait until the new Campaign Setting comes out in, what, March?
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Ayup.
Keep in mind also, though, that Paizo is trying to imply a policy where things don't get too detailed (like FR) so that groups can make their own games.
You know how FR is where every detail has pages and pages of text somewhere that often gets in the DM's way.
It's kinda cool but I certainly get a bit frustrated sometimes, too. I also like trying to keep with Canon. ... But I like what Paizo is doing; it is easy to come on the Boards and check and then get the "green light" to detail stuff the way that works best for your group and Campaign.
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Cheliax is indeed one of the more popular countries in the Inner Sea, but we haven't done much to expand upon the region because we're taking, for the most part, a stance of giving out enough information on these regions to get GM creativity flowing, to allow GMs to make Golarion into their own world as much as it is a published world.
Further limiting our abiltiy to explore some of this informaiton in the 32 page Cheliax player's companion is the fact that it's a PLAYER'S companion. That means we don't do much in the way of secrets that not all players would know about the region, and it means we skew the information we do present to things that would interest players. Most of your questions are aimed at a pretty specific and relatively narrow part of Cheliax—the nobility—which happens to be a topic that is RIFE with things players shouldn't know, since the Chelaxian nobility (particularly the Thrice-Damend House of Thrune) is more or less set up to be one of the primary sources of antagonists and bad guys.
Some day, we might do a larger book about Cheliax aimed at GMs. In fact, I'd love to do a book like this. But until then, you'll need to sift through things like the Council of Thieves adventure path (six volumes set in Cheliax) or the upcoming "Inner Sea World Guide" for answers, or more likely, HINTS to answers.
In the meantime, I'll see if I can't quickly answer a few of your questions... in most cases, though, the answer will be something like, "We haven't revealed this information—it's up to the GM."
One book you might wanna check out, though, is "Cities of Golarion," since it has a 10 page article about a city in Cheliax AND a 10 page article about a city in Nidal.
1) Has anyone done a breakdown of who controls what within cheliax and its teritories past and present (Galt,Andoran) in regard to the nobles?
Nope. The nobles don't really have distinct territories, though; there's a lot of overlap and a lot of shared ground. A map of current Chelish nobles areas of control would be VERY complicated, and adding in historical data would make it even more so.
2) Has anyone made a map with boundries and Noble house seals?
Nope; see #1 above.
3) Was their house seals in Council of Thieves?
Nope.
4) Are their any resources you know of that deal with the Nobility within Cheliax?
There's some information in the hardcover campaign setting—this information isn't expanded upon much in the upcoming Inner Sea World Guide.
5) What is the relationship like between Cheliax and Nidal?
Friendly but in a strained way. Cheliax is larger and more powerful than Nidal, but Nidal is powerful and scary enough to hold its own. All out war between the two nations would not produce an automatic winner, and so both nations regard each other as allies. The main differences in their religions keep them from being TOO friendly (Nidal is too bleak and spooky even for most of Cheliax to approve of, while Cheliax is too decadant and "noisy" for much of Nidal to want to associate much with), but in light of the fact that both nations are pretty creepy and evil and are surrounded by smaller nations who are offended by them, they tend to do their best to stay on good terms. Certainly, there are ambassadors to both nations in each nation.
6) Do any Nobles own land within both countries, if so who/m?
Chelaxian nobles do not own land, as a general rule, in Nidal, and vice-versa. There MIGHT be some minor exceptions here and there, but for the most part, any lands once owned by nobility in Nidal is probably reverted to Nidalesse ownership.
7) Is there Nobility in the sense of land holders within Nidal if so insert the above questions for Nidal as well?
Not as much as in Cheliax. Nidal is a lot more strict on what its citizens can own than Cheliax. We've done even less with Nidal than Cheliax though...
8) Is there a Noble human house that "oversees" the Gnomes holdings?
No. Gnomes in Cheliax aren't really part of the Chelish nobility at all. They're kind of on their own.
9) Are there Gnomish Nobles, & if so are they recognized by House Thrune?
There are probably gnome nobles in the various gnome settlements in Cheliax (like Brastlewark), but in human cities there are not. They're certainly not recognized as proper nobles by the House of Thrune.
One book you might wanna check out, though, is "Cities of Golarion," since it has a 10 page article about a city in Cheliax AND a 10 page article about a city in Nidal.
Which cities?
(very helpful thread, btw, as I've been scavenging for information on this topic too. Thanks!)
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6) Do any Nobles own land within both countries, if so who/m?
Chelaxian nobles do not own land, as a general rule, in Nidal, and vice-versa. There MIGHT be some minor exceptions here and there, but for the most part, any lands once owned by nobility in Nidal is probably reverted to Nidalesse ownership.
I'm sure there are cases in Golarion, such as our own world, where noble houses from separate (at times even rival) nations have intermarried. There is at least one occurrence where a Chliax noble marries into another nations royalty.
As to who owns what, or who owes fealty to whom, or even who inherits titles, landholdings and such; well that's what prenups are for. Cheliax with their devil advisors may have an advantage in such negotiations.
;)
I'm also sure they will also have many a spy in each others courts.
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Keep in mind that Nidal has many vampires living openly and in positions of power. There are likely nobles who have been ruling their demense for centuries. Many of these vampires are also likely to worship Zon-Kuthon. I cannot help but think of the Tzimisce from Vampire: the Masquerade when I envision Nidalese nobility. the section on vampires in Classic Horrors Revisited would be a must for any Nidalese noble I was creating.
One book you might wanna check out, though, is "Cities of Golarion," since it has a 10 page article about a city in Cheliax AND a 10 page article about a city in Nidal.Which cities?
Corentyn in Cheliax and Nisroch in Nidal.
And as a final note—canon is what you make of it. Take my advice in the above post as you will, but don't be afraid to change your Golarion to fit the would YOU want to run games in!
I like to see this attitude in the designers. :) In so many ways, you guys 'get it.'
Best of luck to Paizo, and may your books sell like hotcakes.