Differences in Point Buy construction


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My personal way of setting up a campaign is to start off small, and work up from there. The characters should feel like common folk at first, and that isn't going to be the case if they are starting with 20,16,16,7,7,7. I like to limit players to an 18 at most (after racial adjustments) and not allow any scores below 10. I find that dump stats are usually put into mental scores, then used as an excuse for stupid, or verisimilitude breaking actions. If you make an idiot PC, no one would choose to adventure with them.

If I have an experienced group, and people are looking to try interesting character concepts, then I would up the point buy a little, and maybe allow a little more flexibility in stats. There would be an explicit understanding from the beginning that every PC is expected to be part of a capable team, not rule it, nor be carried by it.

I also warn players up front that I generally don't enjoy GM'ing against a lot of action denial, or swingy stuff. (some SoS/SoD) If you would feel cheated if I did it to your character, don't make a habit of doing it to my monsters. Also, make a character who can be useful in a variety of situations. Don't make a PC that will be useless half the time and expect me to remove encounters that you are not built for.


Shane Walden wrote:
EWHM wrote:
I've gone to fixed arrays (players pick one of several fixed arrays and arrange the stats in it as desired) for over a year now for much this reason. I absolutely LOATHE 20s in casting stats at level 1, and I'm not a fan of stats dumped to 7 for purely mechanical reasons either. The 20 at level 1 is something of a magic number (+1 DC, 1 more 1st level spell) and enables the 36 (+5 level +5 inherent +6 headband) at level 20, which is also yet another magic number (2 bonus level 9 spells). I don't have a problem giving out 'good stats', the arrays I'm willing to give actually point out very close to 25, but they're not optimized for SAD characters. That's deliberate.

Do you mind posting these fixed arrays?

Shane

The most popular one is 16,16,14,12,10,10.


i have been lurking this thread for a while. i am starting to regret that thread i made in gamer talk. i was chatting with a few members of my saturday group, reminscing about a past i never experienced and i had a little too much alchohol and sugar to think straight when i made that thread.


i have a few personal questions for Kyrt, unfortunately, paizo doesn't have a private messaging system.

kyrt:

are you still dealing with computer trouble?

do you get charged for mobile messages on MSN?

when do you think we will be able to check in for your campaign?

how is your progress with your house rules?

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I allow a list of races to be taken if the player takes a lower number of points. Setting my game for 20 points, I let players take one of about 7-8 slightly more powerful races for 5 or 10 of those points. I cost some of the less common races a bit higher to reflect their status. One of my potential players wants to play an effectively +2 veraion of a 'genasi' and is working on details to run by me. It should work out to costing him 10 character points.

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