Challenge: can you create a good homebrew setting from two bad ideas?


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Dabbler wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
hellharlequin wrote:
... and just use on an Island the size of GB labelled the helllands
Ah yes, the Thatcher years ...
The Iron Lady was a good PM. We need someone like her to come back to take control of GB again.
Two words: pole tax.
Are you refering to a tax on pole dancing? If so, then I agree with that. Most of them are not paying taxes on their tips.
LOL, no the pole tax was Margaret Thatcher's downfall - she thought it was a really great idea for local taxation: replace the existing rates system which was in effect a local tax based on how much your house was worth, to a flat tax. Her idea of flat was everybody pays the same amount, not everybody pays the same proportion, though. It meant that if you were struggling in a household in a small house/apartment with several adults only one or two of whom were working (as PM she presided over mass unemployment, too) at minimum wage (frozen under her government) you would have to pay four or five times as much as someone living alone in a twenty-room mansion on a six-figure salary. It was a 'tax the poor to give to the rich' tax, and it went down like a lead balloon.

Oh, I see. As a Rightwinger she must have really believed that the poor deserve to be poor, and the rich deserve to be rich. It goes back to the religious belief of Predeterminism, or something, which states that since God is all knowing, then He already knows who is going to Heaven, so being rich is a sign of God's favor and your chosen status. So the poor should stay poor, and then go to Hell when they die.


...the pole tax...

Not quite right in the details, but your overall point is spot on, a bad tax. A single 'consumption tax' replacing the multitude of hidden and niggling taxes that vex commerce would be better than anything based on income (vestiges of the failed Marxist mind think). Taxing consumption, rather than income (the creation of value/wealth) encourages people to take risks, save, invest, work longer/harder/smarter, etc. because they are then REWARDED for their efforts. By removing the ENVY cog from the 'eat the rich' engine, people would see that their own efforts determine their place in life (Okay, some folks will still gripe about eating ice cream on sunny days.) and get off their duffs!

A pure VAT (value added tax) or some variation of the F.A.I.R tax (Interested? Check it out and troubleshoot on its website. They are constantly upgrading it.) would start the economic engine of the first nation to try it.

But in RPGs, I strongly discourage ANY tax in-game. Almost everyone I play with is either a small business owner, professional or contract employee (I'm an hourly slug, putting in my 30+ years.) that has to cough up checks to the dreaded taxman every quarter. Talk about Grouches!


Bwang wrote:
...the pole tax...

Not quite right in the details, but your overall point is spot on, a bad tax. A single 'consumption tax' replacing the multitude of hidden and niggling taxes that vex commerce would be better than anything based on income (vestiges of the failed Marxist mind think). Taxing consumption, rather than income (the creation of value/wealth) encourages people to take risks, save, invest, work longer/harder/smarter, etc. because they are then REWARDED for their efforts. By removing the ENVY cog from the 'eat the rich' engine, people would see that their own efforts determine their place in life (Okay, some folks will still gripe about eating ice cream on sunny days.) and get off their duffs!

A pure VAT (value added tax) or some variation of the F.A.I.R tax (Interested? Check it out and troubleshoot on its website. They are constantly upgrading it.) would start the economic engine of the first nation to try it.

But in RPGs, I strongly discourage ANY tax in-game. Almost everyone I play with is either a small business owner, professional or contract employee (I'm an hourly slug, putting in my 30+ years.) that has to cough up checks to the dreaded taxman every quarter. Talk about Grouches!

Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him. ~Mark 12:17


Leafar the Lost wrote:
Oh, I see. As a Rightwinger she must have really believed that the poor deserve to be poor, and the rich deserve to be rich. It goes back to the religious belief of Predeterminism, or something, which states that since God is all knowing, then He already knows who is going to Heaven, so being rich is a sign of God's favor and your chosen status. So the poor should stay poor, and then go to Hell when they die.

I couldn't answer, but it was justified on the grounds that a pensioner living alone and widowed in a large house was unjustly taxed more than a large working family. This is true, but the pole tax was not the answer. Local VAT would be hard to apply, local income tax would have been the easiest to apply.

The funny thing was, like most of her government's initiatives to cut inefficiency, it actually ended up costing more to implement and enforce than the system it replaced.

Anyway this is rather tangential, we should get back on topic ...


Dabbler wrote:
Anyway this is rather tangential, we should get back on topic ...

Actually, this is on topic, because the pole tax is the best bad idea I have heard so far! There is nothing "tangential" about this topic at all...Smurf!

Scarab Sages

1. Highlander II (1991)

2. Batman and Robin (1997)


Mazes and monsters as a game world where anybody can cast a spell with disasterous results.
It would explain why that kid went mad. He accidently cast a spell and fried his brain.


Smurf..

Maury talk show (replace it with orcs and humans)

Replace Maury and the audience with Law and Order court scene (make it with pitfiends and other devils)


Dabbler wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
hellharlequin wrote:
... and just use on an Island the size of GB labelled the helllands
Ah yes, the Thatcher years ...
The Iron Lady was a good PM. We need someone like her to come back to take control of GB again.
Two words: pole tax.
Are you refering to a tax on pole dancing? If so, then I agree with that. Most of them are not paying taxes on their tips.
LOL, no the pole tax was Margaret Thatcher's downfall - she thought it was a really great idea for local taxation: replace the existing rates system which was in effect a local tax based on how much your house was worth, to a flat tax. Her idea of flat was everybody pays the same amount, not everybody pays the same proportion, though. It meant that if you were struggling in a household in a small house/apartment with several adults only one or two of whom were working (as PM she presided over mass unemployment, too) at minimum wage (frozen under her government) you would have to pay four or five times as much as someone living alone in a twenty-room mansion on a six-figure salary. It was a 'tax the poor to give to the rich' tax, and it went down like a lead balloon.

Mythbusters proved that lead balloons actually fly pretty well.


DrDew wrote:
Mythbusters proved that lead balloons actually fly pretty well.

They won't touch weather someone can tell a wax dummy from an actual corpse at a funeral. I tried to submit it at their website.

What was that, the Thatcher Years + Planescape?


Goth Guru wrote:
DrDew wrote:
Mythbusters proved that lead balloons actually fly pretty well.

They won't touch weather someone can tell a wax dummy from an actual corpse at a funeral. I tried to submit it at their website.

What was that, the Thatcher Years + Planescape?

Dead bodies look a lot like rubber dummies to me.

I haven't been around any wax dummies to compare them to though.


DrDew wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
DrDew wrote:
Mythbusters proved that lead balloons actually fly pretty well.

They won't touch weather someone can tell a wax dummy from an actual corpse at a funeral. I tried to submit it at their website.

What was that, the Thatcher Years + Planescape?

Dead bodies look a lot like rubber dummies to me.

I haven't been around any wax dummies to compare them to though.

They could get a pig carcas, a wax dummy of it, and a rubber dummy of it. They could test the myth of Elvis still being alive, but they won't.

How about MythBusters vs Sanctuary.


Goth Guru wrote:
Thatcher Years + Planescape?

Now that is a good pair of bad ideas!


Dabbler wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
Thatcher Years + Planescape?
Now that is a good pair of bad ideas!

Thatcher was the Lady of Pain...

Smurf!


Mikaze wrote:

Everyone fashions weapons from their own flesh and bone. Not someone else's. Their own.

The planet passes through Heaven, Hell, Elysium, and the Abyss with the seasons.

This. Sounds. AWESOME.


Maerimydra wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:

Call of Cthulhu and Looney tunes...interesting.

Cool on Army of Darkness and the D&D Cartoon...

HOWEVER, the D&D movie, which I paid to see, was beyond bad, it was insulting, it felt like the movie was reaching out and slapping me. I can't bring myself to think about it for too long...

Smurfs!!!

Did you see the sequel ?

Because they really made a sequel, you know...

EDIT : Great, I'm the smurfette now.

The sequel wasn't so awful.


Mikaze wrote:

Everyone's blood is sentient and evil.

Teeth grow from the ground instead of grass.

I'm thinking the PCs are cells living in some type of organism's mouth. You use your "blood" to attack people by eating other cells.


Mikaze wrote:

Everyone is tied to a specific square mile of land. They can take that land with them whereever they go.

Rainbows are spontaneously generated sentient and dangerous prismatic walls.

Frightening. And cool.


Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:

1. Dragons all have class levels and rule the world from massive palaces.

2. A one way portal to this world has opened up in the middle of war torn Afghanistan, plunging soldiers into a fantasy realm.

shakes fist

This sounds too much like my homebrew!!!!


1. Tremendous amounts of mind altering substances.

2. Police Officer's Convention.


Ranger S. Thompson wrote:

1. Tremendous amounts of mind altering substances.

2. Police Officer's Convention.

Because the smuggler's freighter accidently beached on the shore.

A great episode of Hawaii-50.


1. Cutting taxes on the super rich
2. Cutting spending to help the poor
= worse idea ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Leafar the Lost wrote:

1. Cutting taxes on the super rich

2. Cutting spending to help the poor
= worse idea ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't that the senatorial mantra? Or was that just the republican mantra?

(Referring to the US for those from elsewhere.)


StabbittyDoom wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:

1. Cutting taxes on the super rich

2. Cutting spending to help the poor
= worse idea ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't that the senatorial mantra? Or was that just the republican mantra?

(Referring to the US for those from elsewhere.)

I don't know. Either way, we are screwed...


Leafar the Lost wrote:

1. Cutting taxes on the super rich

2. Cutting spending to help the poor
= worse idea ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality is the worst idea ever?

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Midnightoker wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:

1. Cutting taxes on the super rich

2. Cutting spending to help the poor
= worse idea ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reality is the worst idea ever?

As everyone knows, reality has a liberal bias.

But I think what will happen is both parties will play chicken, screw everything up, and get tax cuts for no one and no benefits for the unemployed, 9/11 1st responders, 9/11 2nd and 3rd responders (Vets from Iran and Afghanistan), etc. etc.

Silver Crusade

Freehold DM wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Everyone's blood is sentient and evil.

Teeth grow from the ground instead of grass.

I'm thinking the PCs are cells living in some type of organism's mouth. You use your "blood" to attack people by eating other cells.

Now I'm reminded of that "everything is organic" setting someone was working on over at another forum.

As in, everything was made from or was a living being, from swords to clothing to shelters to the very planet the people lived on. Or in.

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Mikaze wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Everyone's blood is sentient and evil.

Teeth grow from the ground instead of grass.

I'm thinking the PCs are cells living in some type of organism's mouth. You use your "blood" to attack people by eating other cells.

Now I'm reminded of that "everything is organic" setting someone was working on over at another forum.

As in, everything was made from or was a living being, from swords to clothing to shelters to the very planet the people lived on. Or in.

Like the tooth-shooting bone-guns from eXistenZ???

Silver Crusade

SmiloDan wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Mikaze wrote:

Everyone's blood is sentient and evil.

Teeth grow from the ground instead of grass.

I'm thinking the PCs are cells living in some type of organism's mouth. You use your "blood" to attack people by eating other cells.

Now I'm reminded of that "everything is organic" setting someone was working on over at another forum.

As in, everything was made from or was a living being, from swords to clothing to shelters to the very planet the people lived on. Or in.

Like the tooth-shooting bone-guns from eXistenZ???

Kinda. Can't remember exactly what "tech-level" they were shooting for. It was kind of weird. Ranged weaponry didn't seem to be too advanced beyond crossbow and cannon analouges at most, but telecommunications seemed to be relatively advanced.

It was kind of neat. And at times fairly gross.


SmiloDan wrote:
As everyone knows, reality has a liberal bias.

Absolutely, the Rightwingers don't let the facts get in the way of their beliefs. More bad ideas...

Should there be a bad idea world, where all the bad ideas from Earth are dumped? This world would be like a garbage dump...

Imagine this:

At some point in the distant past there was a really bad idea that was sooooooo bad that it was thrown out of the Earth and it went floating through the void of space for a long time. Then it sort of crumpled up into a ball and it drifted into orbit around a medium sized star.

This ball then started to act like a magnet for bad ideas. As the bad ideas kept coming, the ball kept getting bigger. Its like wrapping paper around a ball of paper, and that ball of paper kept getting bigger. So the world was created on layer after layer of increasingly bad ideas.

Bad ideas are not all evil. In fact, some of the worst bad ideas started out with very good intentions...


Leafar the Lost wrote:
SmiloDan wrote:
As everyone knows, reality has a liberal bias.

Absolutely, the Rightwingers don't let the facts get in the way of their beliefs. More bad ideas...

Should there be a bad idea world, where all the bad ideas from Earth are dumped? This world would be like a garbage dump...

Imagine this:

At some point in the distant past there was a really bad idea that was sooooooo bad that it was thrown out of the Earth and it went floating through the void of space for a long time. Then it sort of crumpled up into a ball and it drifted into orbit around a medium sized star.

This ball then started to act like a magnet for bad ideas. As the bad ideas kept coming, the ball kept getting bigger. Its like wrapping paper around a ball of paper, and that ball of paper kept getting bigger. So the world was created on layer after layer of increasingly bad ideas.

Bad ideas are not all evil. In fact, some of the worst bad ideas started out with very good intentions...

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Kryzbyn wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
SmiloDan wrote:
As everyone knows, reality has a liberal bias.

Absolutely, the Rightwingers don't let the facts get in the way of their beliefs. More bad ideas...

Should there be a bad idea world, where all the bad ideas from Earth are dumped? This world would be like a garbage dump...

Imagine this:

At some point in the distant past there was a really bad idea that was sooooooo bad that it was thrown out of the Earth and it went floating through the void of space for a long time. Then it sort of crumpled up into a ball and it drifted into orbit around a medium sized star.

This ball then started to act like a magnet for bad ideas. As the bad ideas kept coming, the ball kept getting bigger. Its like wrapping paper around a ball of paper, and that ball of paper kept getting bigger. So the world was created on layer after layer of increasingly bad ideas.

Bad ideas are not all evil. In fact, some of the worst bad ideas started out with very good intentions...

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Combine reality with HOL. Only the PCs realize this.


Inception.

Memento.

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I_Use_Ref_Discretion wrote:

Inception.

Memento.

I both love and hate this idea. It must be done.

In rough on-screen order:
*Wakes up from dream*
*Wakes up from dream*
*Wakes up from dream*
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER *falls asleep*
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER *falls asleep*
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER *falls asleep*
WE NEED TO GO DEEPER *falls asleep*
"What was the plot again?"


I_Use_Ref_Discretion wrote:

Inception.

Memento.

It was all a dream at the end; the top never stopped spinning; the truth will be revealed in Inception II: the Nightmare!!!!


Enemy is Hot Chicks with strap on leather

vs

Party of All Male character.

Leather Chicks & Dungeons :)


Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
hellharlequin wrote:
... and just use on an Island the size of GB labelled the helllands
Ah yes, the Thatcher years ...
The Iron Lady was a good PM. We need someone like her to come back to take control of GB again.
Two words: pole tax.
Are you refering to a tax on pole dancing? If so, then I agree with that. Most of them are not paying taxes on their tips.
LOL, no the pole tax was Margaret Thatcher's downfall - she thought it was a really great idea for local taxation: replace the existing rates system which was in effect a local tax based on how much your house was worth, to a flat tax. Her idea of flat was everybody pays the same amount, not everybody pays the same proportion, though. It meant that if you were struggling in a household in a small house/apartment with several adults only one or two of whom were working (as PM she presided over mass unemployment, too) at minimum wage (frozen under her government) you would have to pay four or five times as much as someone living alone in a twenty-room mansion on a six-figure salary. It was a 'tax the poor to give to the rich' tax, and it went down like a lead balloon.
Oh, I see. As a Rightwinger she must have really believed that the poor deserve to be poor, and the rich deserve to be rich. It goes back to the religious belief of Predeterminism, or something, which states that since God is all knowing, then He already knows who is going to Heaven, so being rich is a sign of God's favor and your chosen status. So the poor should stay poor, and then go to Hell when they die.

Heaven's Sake! What Have I done?

(I always wanted to say that)


hellharlequin wrote:
Heaven's Sake! What Have I done?

My God, what have I done?


Mr. Fishy has a good er bad one Demon and an angel are ordered to lead a mortal to a destinied place for a world altering choice. The Moral is a drooling idiot that feels pain as pleasure and is not immortal. He can be allowed to die. Good luck.


1. Yu gi oh
2. the tv show Sliders

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Tagion wrote:

1. Yu gi oh

2. the tv show Sliders

"Aha but you didn't anticipate me sliding into world 8304 wherein my double possesses access to a high-powered death laser! *pew-pew*"


#1 The World is Flooding due to careless adventurers losing decanters of endless water set to Geyser.

#2 Undead are the good guys, the living are evil due to their necessity to destroy in order to survive. Undead all hunt the living to save the planet.


Wait! Mr. Fishy thinks we're floating into good idea water. Turn hard to port and begin 'er round.

Barney and his evil(?) twin.

Liberty's Edge

Xaaon of Korvosa wrote:

#1 The World is Flooding due to careless adventurers losing decanters of endless water set to Geyser.

#2 Undead are the good guys, the living are evil due to their necessity to destroy in order to survive. Undead all hunt the living to save the planet.

That would actually be an interesting world, given that undead can move underwater without worries about that whole "breathing" thing. They only have to worry about pressure. They likely view the living as a "necessary evil" for the propagation of their race. Like a larval stage that has a *really* bad day when it goes adult.

The flooding is only a problem for undead because it would reduce long-term population growth. They aren't invincible and are likely in constant war with various forms of outsider, making growth important for a normally immortal 'species'.


1. Inception
2. Don Quixote

Ill get you started. A powerful mage or an important noble or whatever has gone alittle bonkers. The problem is that his dillusion have started to manifest into reality and has also started to effect others causing there nightmare to physically manifest as well. Ofcourse he is every noble in his mind and has voud to save the people from this spreading crisis , travling around making things worse.


Another one. Dragon ball Z and CSI;miami.....make it happen.


Tagion wrote:
Another one. Dragon ball Z and CSI;miami.....make it happen.

Actually, I hope someone makes this world happen. I see a "spark" here with the concept of making a world based on two bad ideas, but someone needs to make the second movie. I started the concept of a world based on bad ideas, but someone else needs to make the 2nd move, and then finally someone else will make the "home run", if we are making baseball analogies...smurf!

Liberty's Edge

StabbittyDoom wrote:
0gre wrote:
Leafar the Lost wrote:

Jim Butcher stated that the Codex Alera series came about from a challenge of a friend. They had been discussing the concept of taking bad ideas and making them into good novels through presentation and writing. This individual challenged Butcher to write a good novel from a bad idea. Butcher upped the ante and asked for two bad ideas, and these were the results: the Lost Roman Legion and Pokemon. Taking these two ideas, Butcher crafted the "Furies of Calderon".

Therefore, I ask for the same challenge. Give me two bad ideas, and I will craft a homebrew setting from it. I will pick the "best", bad ideas from you guys...

Actually I think Butcher said he could take two clichéd ideas and turn them into something unique and cool. Clichéd ideas might have some merit, bad ideas are just bad. I might be wrong, memory is fallible.

Pop Singers have Superpowers (other singers don't, it's based on popularity or similarity to popular music)

Cult attempting to summon elder evil

Wasn't that, like, every episode of Josie and the Pussycats in Outer Space? Sort of?


Simon Legrande wrote:

The good aligned deities are all names after pharmaceuticals, i.e. Avodart the Just, Claritin the Pure, Viagra the Bold, etc.

All of the elder evils are named after STDs.

Thank you lord Seraquil, for fending off the demons of paranoid schitzoprenia.


"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13

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