A challenge for rogue / monk haters

[lrichter]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

But it IS a variant! :)

I think the monk build is interesting but it doesn't belong to Pathfinder and fails the challenge as presented. As TriOmegaZero pointed out in response to why someone wouldn't just play this monk instead of a fighter - he said they have to see the fighter. Therefore by his/her own definition this monk is not balanced with the current classes; one must re-vamp all the classes in order to establish class balance.

I still think there are a number of nice ideas. I personally would drop the full BAB and the HP back to d8. I really really like the sutras and the drop of the "monk weapons." So despite not quite conforming to the perimeters of this challenge - I look forward to seeing some of these ideas in the next edition of Pathfinder.

Really good job. It sort of reminded me of the "Iron Heroes" character classes - super pumped and super hero capable.

[Kryzbyn]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Some should be sutras, some should be feats. Maybe roll similar ones together so the character isn't spending all his slots on them. I think Kirth is working on assimilating the APG options into the class as well.

Oh, ok sweet.

Is that the version 2.0 stuff?

[TriOmegaZero]

When I had lunch with him over the weekend he explained that v2 is going to involve rolling the lesser options into the better options, reducing the number of choices but making each one an attractive option. I imagine the APG options will get condensed down into that too.

[Kryzbyn]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

When I had lunch with him over the weekend he explained that v2 is going to involve rolling the lesser options into the better options, reducing the number of choices but making each one an attractive option. I imagine the APG options will get condensed down into that too.

Awesome. I can't wait to see what he comes up with.

I'm having a hard internal conflict with being a PF purist and using his classes. They represent the kinda of power high level characters should be capable of without having to have special rules for epic crap.
This aspect of it I really, really like.
Having to use all of them to balance any one of them is kind of a bummer though, but I understand the necessity.

[BigNorseWolf]

now thats sort of not fair. If the class is going to be revamped, it is of course going to take its power level above that of other suboptimal classes.