Swarm-on-Swarm Action


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

No, it's not some kinky new reality show on Fox.

So, reading the following:

Bestiary p313 wrote:
Larger swarms are represented by multiples of single swarms. The area occupied by a large swarm is completely shapeable, though the swarm usually remains in contiguous squares.

What I'm wondering is - what happens when one swarm attacks another swarm.

Remember, they don't attack, they just do damage to any creature whose space they occupy...so does this mean they can damage each other? Or do they not do anything, in effect just swarming around each other?


Ricky Bobby wrote:
Remember, they don't attack, they just do damage to any creature whose space they occupy...so does this mean they can damage each other? Or do they not do anything, in effect just swarming around each other?

Looks like they damage each other.


Well, so much for a comedy centering around Palin shooting down the sexual advances from Hannity and O'Reilly... Any-who.. back to the topic.

As their damage is over an area, would they take the +50% damage as they are susceptible to area of effect effects?

As far as their resistance to slashing and piercing damage, would that also come into play?


Ricky Bobby wrote:
Remember, they don't attack, they just do damage to any creature whose space they occupy...so does this mean they can damage each other? Or do they not do anything, in effect just swarming around each other?

I would rule this one based on the types of swarms involved. Two swarms of bats, nothing. A swarm of bats and spiders? Nothing. A swarm of ants on ants, they both deal damage to one another (they fight all the time anyway).

I would actually consider making two swarms of certain kinds of animals roll charisma checks against each other, with the higher roller assimilating the other swarm, basically "dominating" it through some natural means. So if you druid calls forth a swarm of bats and the larger bat swarm engulfs it, then the druid will probably not have her bats anymore.

EDIT: I know there are other types, I didn't make a chart. I would just rule this however I thought it made the most sense. A flying swarm mixing with a crawling swarm isn't going to do much IMO. Two swarms of fliers mixing would depend on the types of creature, as I would think they are more prone to merge than risk falling apart or whatever; that whole stampede-reflex thing with a little bit of "when in Rome"... Meh. I dunno.

This is an interesting idea though... It ties some ideas for my current campaign together. :) Thanks.

Liberty's Edge

Pathos wrote:

Well, so much for a comedy centering around Palin shooting down the sexual advances from Hannity and O'Reilly... Any-who.. back to the topic.

As their damage is over an area, would they take the +50% damage as they are susceptible to area of effect effects?

As far as their resistance to slashing and piercing damage, would that also come into play?

Exactly, I wasn't as specific with my question, but this is the type of stuff I'm wondering.


Foghammer wrote:
Ricky Bobby wrote:
Remember, they don't attack, they just do damage to any creature whose space they occupy...so does this mean they can damage each other? Or do they not do anything, in effect just swarming around each other?

I would rule this one based on the types of swarms involved. Two swarms of bats, nothing. A swarm of bats and spiders? Nothing. A swarm of ants on ants, they both deal damage to one another (they fight all the time anyway).

I would actually consider making two swarms of certain kinds of animals roll charisma checks against each other, with the higher roller assimilating the other swarm, basically "dominating" it through some natural means. So if you druid calls forth a swarm of bats and the larger bat swarm engulfs it, then the druid will probably not have her bats anymore.

This is an interesting idea though... It ties some ideas for my current campaign together. :) Thanks.

SO, if a swarm absorbed another swarm, would it increase in size/HD?

*ponders the permutations*


Pathos wrote:

]SO, if a swarm absorbed another swarm, would it increase in size/HD?

*ponders the permutations*

Yes, I would say so. I wouldn't make it a direct relation to number of swarms, perhaps...

I suppose my idea isn't really what the OP was looking for. Officially, I guess they would affect each other as normal for swarms of their type, but it isn't weapon damage, so there is no immunity. Swarm damage is just that. So bat-on-bat swarm combat would be what... a d6 each round until one swarm collapses?

I like my idea much better. :3

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Swarm-on-Swarm Action All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.