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It has metal plates sewn into the lining, so I really don't see why not. Same with having those plates made out of adamantine. Similarly, I wouldn't let a druid wear one.
Yes, but it first requires a long thread that involves corner cases, refuting people with other opinions or perspectives, fielding personal attacks and insults, etc. :D
Seriously...I don't have the context. Is armored coat an item from some source?
It's from the Advanced Player's Guide. And really, you didn't need to jump on here just to say "You're gonna get in a fight!" It's kind of unhelpful.
Jeremy Puckett
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I think Howie's comment was more of a parody of the board than a snide remark...
Thanks for seeing the positive aspect, 'Doom. However, I will cop to it being a bit more directed at RD's threads in particular rather than to the board in general. However, the intent was positive. Humor is helpful in bonding communities when it isn't cutting. Appears Jeremy took it as cutting. It wasn't the intent, so my apologies if I stepped over the line.
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I think Howie's comment was more of a parody of the board than a snide remark...Thanks for seeing the positive aspect, 'Doom. However, I will cop to it being a bit more directed at RD's threads in particular rather than to the board in general. However, the intent was positive. Humor is helpful in bonding communities when it isn't cutting. Appears Jeremy took it as cutting. It wasn't the intent, so my apologies if I stepped over the line.
Some days I'm stabbity, other days I'm 'doom. On a few unfortunate days I'm both. *dun dun dun* </stupidity>
Questioned answered, thread hijacked for discussion of the validity of parody humor and the unfortunate nature of Poe's law. All in a days work.
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I would do something like out of the 20lb weight, say roughly 5 of it is the leather coat and the other 15 is the metal. So I'd cut the 15 in half and the whole kit weight at 12.5 lbs.
That said, I'm not sure how a 7 lb difference would effect Max Dex and ACP?
If you like the idea of the armored coat, Iron Kingdoms have a really nice one too you could look at if you have access to it.
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Well studded leather can be mithril so i see no reason why the armored coat can't be either.
Yeah but I thought that if the material isn't the significant portion the stats wouldn't change. Like a mithril headed spear or a dark wood hafted hammer doesn't change the weapon at all, just makes it more expensive.
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Well studded leather can be mithril so i see no reason why the armored coat can't be either.Yeah but I thought that if the material isn't the significant portion the stats wouldn't change. Like a mithril headed spear or a dark wood hafted hammer doesn't change the weapon at all, just makes it more expensive.
A mithril headed spear wouldn't change the weight much, but it would have the desired DR related effect (counts as silver) since it's on the business end.
Also, if you replace darkwood with "some other wood that's harder than normal" (such as ironwood) you would have an effect since the hardness of the weapon for sundering purposes is based on the weakest link (the haft) not the head. Darkwood on a hammer is just for style ;)
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The studs in studded leather are there to hold larger pieces of metal in place. In an armored coat the metal is sewn in. Most of the weight for both would come from their metal components, so both should benefit from using mithral.
Ok, but the description of studded leather armor: "Similar to leather armor, this suit is reinforced with small metal studs." Where are there larger pieces of metal?
Then if you read about mithril under the special materials section it says: "Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a quarterstaff cannot.)"So while yes, I would let someone make an armored coat with mithril plates to reduce the weight, I'm not sure if I would give it the full mithril adjustments since there's still a fair amount of leather that's affecting the Max Dex and ACP.
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The studs in studded leather are there to hold larger pieces of metal in place. In an armored coat the metal is sewn in. Most of the weight for both would come from their metal components, so both should benefit from using mithral.Ok, but the description of studded leather armor: "Similar to leather armor, this suit is reinforced with small metal studs." Where are there larger pieces of metal?
Then if you read about mithril under the special materials section it says: "Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a quarterstaff cannot.)"So while yes, I would let someone make an armored coat with mithril plates to reduce the weight, I'm not sure if I would give it the full mithril adjustments since there's still a fair amount of leather that's affecting the Max Dex and ACP.
I believe it's been commonly accepted that studded leather was meant to be more similar to brigandine than what the description is stating, hence why mithril can be applied. Basically, it's studded leather but the studs hold small metal plates to the leather.
I'm not sure if I would give it the full mithril adjustments since there's still a fair amount of leather that's affecting the Max Dex and ACP.
So long as you recognize that as a house rule...
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If studded leather is supposed to be like brigandine, it's the worst approximation I've ever seen. I've read several accounts of knights preferring brigandine to harness, so the game stats should be pretty darn good.
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If studded leather is supposed to be like brigandine, it's the worst approximation I've ever seen. I've read several accounts of knights preferring brigandine to harness, so the game stats should be pretty darn good.
No studded leather is suppose to be small plate brigindine...which is different from the brigs you find at wisby for instance...which was worn over leather and chain and had steel spaulders, arms and legs. Now THAT armor was compared favorably with plate mail. That armor was also 30-50 lb. A suit of small plate brig was about 10lbs. And the reason we accept studded leather as small plate brig is because the description of the studded leather armor doesn't work...and small plate brig does. And with the gamemastery guide specifically saying that the special material for studded leather is metal, it makes more sense to view studded leather armor as small plate brig.