Dragon Disciple question...


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Liberty's Edge

Ah, look at me, my second rules question of the day...

I'm stating up a Paladin/Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple and came across something that seems ambiguous to me.

Does the Blood of Dragons class feature affect bonus feats from the added bloodline progression? My intuition told me "no", as the DD class grants bloodline feats already and I intrepreted the Blood of Dragons feature's use of the "powers" to specifically refer only to "bloodline powers". However, it then goes on to clarify the character's ability to cast granted bloodline spells, implying Blood of Dragons affects bloodline spells as well. Nowhere does the class clarify whether or not you get bloodline feast from *just* the Disciple's class progression or from Disciple levels *and* effective Sorcerer levels determined by Blood of Dragons.

I'm not angling for extra feats, I already sleceted most of them with a conservative assumption, but I really would like to know the answer to this.

Liberty's Edge

Ugh. I mispelled "Disciple" *every single time* as "Desciple". That's a little embarassing.

Fixed, for what it's worth.


Blood of Dragons allows you to adds your DD level to your sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline.

That's it.

Bonus feats are seperate and kick in at 2nd lvl.

The part about spells is a qualifying statement, so players don't infer extra bonuses from the class ability.

btw, nice character concept. how do you overcome spell failure?

I ask because i've been tempted to play the same character build but haven't been able to overcome the failure rate of spells without getting the Still Spell feat (and effectively losing 2 lvls of spellcasting abilities).

Liberty's Edge

Tanis wrote:

Blood of Dragons allows you to adds your DD level to your sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline.

That's it.

Bonus feats are seperate and kick in at 2nd lvl.

The part about spells is a qualifying statement, so players don't infer extra bonuses from the class ability.

btw, nice character concept. how do you overcome spell failure?

I ask because i've been tempted to play the same character build but haven't been able to overcome the failure rate of spells without getting the Still Spell feat (and effectively losing 2 lvls of spellcasting abilities).

Basically by not wearing it after 4th level.

Don't get me wrong, this concept is going to be straight up *rough* to play for levels 3 and 4 (1 and 2, I'm just a Paladin) but once you hit 5th (2 Pal/3 Sorc) Mage Armor has a good duration (Magical Knack trait helps with this, and is all but essential to really make things work). Doubly so if you can get your hands on a Rod of Lesser Extend Metamagic.

AC, overall, is low but sevicible for a just short of primary spellcaster cum melee skirmisher. Statted out at level 7, with level-appropriate gear (+2 mithral buckler, ring of protection +1) you can manage a 21 AC with Mage Armor up.

Your saves are awesome. Enough to justify 2 levels of Paladin, I feel.

Thanks to the new Elemental Focus feats in the APG, this character makes a fair blaster.

Dragon Disciple *begs* for some melee splash and after many hours of my own time down the drain, Paladin is the only core class available that really sings with it. APG Arcane Duelist is as good in it's own way, IMHO.


Tanis wrote:

Blood of Dragons allows you to adds your DD level to your sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline.

That's it.

Bonus feats are seperate and kick in at 2nd lvl.

The part about spells is a qualifying statement, so players don't infer extra bonuses from the class ability.

btw, nice character concept. how do you overcome spell failure?

I ask because i've been tempted to play the same character build but haven't been able to overcome the failure rate of spells without getting the Still Spell feat (and effectively losing 2 lvls of spellcasting abilities).

So does that include Bloodline bonus Spells?


Bloodline spells yes. I have a Barbarian 3/Sorcerer 2/ Dragon Disciple 3. So I would get the second level spell resist energy as I am considered 5th level for the bloodline bonus spell.

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