Mynameisjake |
So high speed is your point...
One round is how long? 3 to 6 seconds?
The range is 25ft + 5ft/2 levels = (at 6 lvl) 55 ft or 18 m
take this togehter with the earth gravitation (9,81m/s^2) and you get a average impact speed from 13,87 m/s ~ 50 km/hIs this fast enough?
Ever jumped head front from a 18m tower into water? This hurts. :)
Wow. Just...wow. Gravitational speed of the earth? Really? This is so totally nonsensical that I can only assume that your trying to be funny. In a second language.
Just in case, tho, you are aware that the spell creates water where you tell it to? It doesn't create water in your hand, then shoot it out like a fire hose.
I understand your point and I totaly agree, create water should be a utility spell, no combat spell, but if you have F***** discussing players, you will have such thinks. :)
Maybe a restriction with a Focus, some sort of container, would help... I think I will implement this. :)
P.S.: I simply like to discuss, sorry no offense. :)
No problem. If you're the DM, then how the spell works really is up to you. Your player can cast it all he wants, but you're the one who determines whether it has an effect outside of the narrow confines of what the spell says that it does.
Ederin Elswyr |
Water wieghts about 8 lbs./gallon. So a 5 gallon bucket. Think knee high paint bucket about weights 40lbs. Water is heavy. A barrel weights say 10 lbs. Create water fills the barrel with 10 gallons of water which now weights 90 lbs. Push it off a ledge and it could kill or injury someone. So the spell could be used in combat if you prepared for it.
But that's cool and creative and requires planning and preparation. Also, barrels. So I don't have a problem with using create water in this fashion. It's a component of a plan, but it doesn't do the job on its own, nor is it spammable beyond the number of adequate containers you've got handy.
Ederin Elswyr |
All of this talk of Spark, Create Water and Prestidigitation is just begging for some Rube Goldberg-inspired trap-crafting action. Can probably find many a combat effect for both, but you'll need a creative & resourceful gnome to find all of them.
And again, cool and creative. If a player wants to build a Rube Goldberg machine that runs off of cantrips and orisons, I'm all for it. The time and effort that went into making the device negates the problem of cantrip spam.
another_mage |
Getting a bunch of water dumped on you doesn't hurt. In fact, some people travel for miles to experience this very thing:
http://themeparks.about.com/od/indoorwaterparksphotos/ss/GreatWolfOHwp_3.ht m
If your players are looking for some bonus for getting the enemy soaking wet, it would be best to remind them that adventurers often get wet too.
And sometimes, those adventurers have to fight things that are native to the water.
ciretose |
Much more.. anoying is create water...
Try to producing some presure by some burning buildings... *snip* 2x lvl/gallons water... fire extinguished...
enemy charges toward player... *snip* 2xlevel/gallons of water right over his head...
etc. etc. etc.
Have a Oracle and a Druid in my group which use this f... spell over and over for EVERY situation... and 12 gallons water is something which has weight...
I hate this spell !
(you can't even sent a lvl 1 group into a desert, to playing something with dying of thirst.. *snip* two gallons water, every 6 seconds...)
My Cleric of Cayden Caileen generally starts the fight by creating ale over his enemies.
Once, we used it as a poor mans glitterdust on an invisible quasit.
Havelock |
I don't think anyone would realistically argue that dumping a small fish tank's worth of water on someone's head wouldn't be a distraction. [...] Doing it once or twice might be fun [...]
"FUN!?! WHADDA YA MEAN FUN? ONE UPPER CLASSMAN DID THIS TO ME TWICE A DAY, EVERY DAY WHEN I WAS A FROSH AT THE ACADEMY!"
More seriously, this might be the sort of thing fantasy fighter types train for. Instead of crawling under barbed wire with live ammo being shot over head, apprentice mages are dumping cantrips all over the recruits.
Also, if you're planning on some high-altitude bombing as a distraction, just remember that falling water will not stay in a single blob, it will dropletize.
9mm |
Getting a bunch of water dumped on you doesn't hurt. In fact, some people travel for miles to experience this very thing:
http://themeparks.about.com/od/indoorwaterparksphotos/ss/GreatWolfOHwp_3.ht m
If your players are looking for some bonus for getting the enemy soaking wet, it would be best to remind them that adventurers often get wet too.
And sometimes, those adventurers have to fight things that are native to the water.
psst: notice how there is a ROOF there to spread the bucket's pour out? because if it wasn't there, they'd get sued when it would strait up flatten a kid. Water is not light, and like any object if it falls far enough it's impact is quite dangerous, getting a cool-aid shower is not the same as a waterballon dropped from a building.