Hey everyone I had an interesting concept:
Well I was going through my books the other day thinking "whats an Iconic named monster that hasnt been statted yet?" I thought I was good with Gremlins but Paizo is four steps ahead of my and I am not complaining since there will be leprechauns in the bestiary 2 (assuming they are evil fey gremlins, just makes sense to me)
Here is what I got:
No one has ever really picture a Vermiscious Kanid or a Swang Doodler..
I dare someone to stat these horrible terrible creatures!
And if the Great JJ is reading this I hope you stat it as well ;)
You could also make "Green Eggs & Ham," a poision.
You could also make "Green Eggs & Ham," a poision.
hmmmm I am wondering if this a blatant sarcastic remark..
if its serious...
I would make it more like some kind of famous dish with magical enhancement effects, afterall he did like them in the end
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Vermiscious Kanids. :)
I love that name. What do you think Abberation, Animal, or Magical Beast? For some reason they've always seemed to me like they should be related to Jabberwockies. Sort of serpentine and dinosaur like.
I can't stat any up right away but if no one else bites, I'll give it a shot when I clear off some other work. :)
Hey everyone I had an interesting concept:
Well I was going through my books the other day thinking "whats an Iconic named monster that hasnt been statted yet?" I thought I was good with Gremlins but Paizo is four steps ahead of my and I am not complaining since there will be leprechauns in the bestiary 2 (assuming they are evil fey gremlins, just makes sense to me)Here is what I got:
No one has ever really picture a Vermiscious Kanid or a Swang Doodler..
I dare someone to stat these horrible terrible creatures!
And if the Great JJ is reading this I hope you stat it as well ;)
Looks at Commit, looks at thread name.
Looks confused, What does one have to do with the other?
Those are the fantastic creatures found in the native forests of the Oompa Loompa.
It's like statting a Jabberwocky or a Bandersnatch or the Jubjub bird or a Boojum
Hey everyone I had an interesting concept:
Well I was going through my books the other day thinking "whats an Iconic named monster that hasnt been statted yet?" I thought I was good with Gremlins but Paizo is four steps ahead of my and I am not complaining since there will be leprechauns in the bestiary 2 (assuming they are evil fey gremlins, just makes sense to me)Here is what I got:
No one has ever really picture a Vermiscious Kanid or a Swang Doodler..
I dare someone to stat these horrible terrible creatures!
And if the Great JJ is reading this I hope you stat it as well ;)
Looks at Commit, looks at thread name.
Looks confused, What does one have to do with the other?
Heres what I meant:
One day I was like "Hey I think ill actually stat out what a Maenad is!" (The old greek lovers of Dyonisis) but it turned out they were already made into a creature in the complete psionic.
Then I said "Well maenad has been done, I dont think gremlins exist" turns out they do.
My point was that most iconic names of magical/monstrous beings throughout history has been taken and statted already. Even the Tarasque was taken from an old french legend.
Vermiscious Kanids and Swang Doodlers are fictitious creatures described by willy wonka but are never seen, given abilities, or anything of that sort, we only know they are evil and bad things.
So I said "Hey this is an opportunity to actually make a famous monster and stat it out" without having someone else say "They already have a stat block for that at X"
Less confused? This is the best I can do to explain short of plain tickets to my mind and trust me you dont want to go there
Vermiscious Kanids. :)
I love that name. What do you think Abberation, Animal, or Magical Beast? For some reason they've always seemed to me like they should be related to Jabberwockies. Sort of serpentine and dinosaur like.
I can't stat any up right away but if no one else bites, I'll give it a shot when I clear off some other work. :)
Hmmmm now that is a puzzler.
If you are playing on the fact that Willy Wonka is probably one of the most insane people in that world I would say abberative wouldnt be a step off since most are based on the insane world of HP LOVECRAFT.
However, magical beast might be the way to go, something entirely unique though, with its own abilities, built like the tarrasque with a different power level.
Animal to me just doesnt fit. Too mundane. I like the idea of something similiar to a jabberwock..
What would they look like is the real question. If we can decide that undoubtedly type should solve itself
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Actually, thinking about it, I suddenly remembered that Knids are mentioned in The Great Glass Elevator. Looking them up on Wikipedia reveals:
In their natural form, Vermicious Knids are huge, dark, egg-shaped beings that are quite at home in the vacuum of space. Their homeworld is the planet Vermes, a fictional planet located (as stated in dialogue) 184,270,000,000 miles away from Earth (this would place it at 52 times Pluto's distance). Their one weak point is that they are show-offs; they cannot resist shaping themselves to spell the word "SCRAM" - the only word they know - before they attack. Willy Wonka knows that this interval is ideal for escaping an encounter with the Knids.
According to Willy Wonka, numerous sentient alien species that formerly existed have been wiped out by the Knids' predations. Wonka claims that the only reason humans have escaped this fate is because the Knids - not being heatproof and not possessing retro-rockets - cannot enter Earth's atmosphere without being burned up by friction. What are supposed to be shooting stars are in fact shooting Knids burning up in the atmosphere. In Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, Wonka destroys the swarm of Knids by burning them in Earth's atmosphere. They do not have any teeth, but rather swallow their victims whole.
They also make a brief appearance as, again, an animal in Loompa Land in the 2005 adaptation Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Wonka goes to Loompa Land in search of new flavors for candy, when a giant green hornet-like animal attacks him, which he quickly kills with a machete. Oddly enough, he tries eating the blood off the knife, but finds the taste unsuitable for candy.
Also
The etymology of the name was not provided by Dahl. Pronunciation of Knid is said in the book to approximate adding a schwa between the "K" and "nid", or in Dahl's words, "K'nid". Cnidaria is the name of the taxonomic phylum containing stinging aquatic invertebrates such as jellyfish and coral, itself derived from the classical Greek word for nettle. Vermicious is a real word, meaning wormlike.
Actually, thinking about it, I suddenly remembered that Knids are mentioned in The Great Glass Elevator. Looking them up on Wikipedia reveals:
In their natural form, Vermicious Knids are huge, dark, egg-shaped beings that are quite at home in the vacuum of space. Their homeworld is the planet Vermes, a fictional planet located (as stated in dialogue) 184,270,000,000 miles away from Earth (this would place it at 52 times Pluto's distance). Their one weak point is that they are show-offs; they cannot resist shaping themselves to spell the word "SCRAM" - the only word they know - before they attack. Willy Wonka knows that this interval is ideal for escaping an encounter with the Knids.
According to Willy Wonka, numerous sentient alien species that formerly existed have been wiped out by the Knids' predations. Wonka claims that the only reason humans have escaped this fate is because the Knids - not being heatproof and not possessing retro-rockets - cannot enter Earth's atmosphere without being burned up by friction. What are supposed to be shooting stars are in fact shooting Knids burning up in the atmosphere. In Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, Wonka destroys the swarm of Knids by burning them in Earth's atmosphere. They do not have any teeth, but rather swallow their victims whole.
They also make a brief appearance as, again, an animal in Loompa Land in the 2005 adaptation Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Wonka goes to Loompa Land in search of new flavors for candy, when a giant green hornet-like animal attacks him, which he quickly kills with a machete. Oddly enough, he tries eating the blood off the knife, but finds the taste unsuitable for candy.
Ok so I would say that a Vermiscious Knid is undoubtedly an aberration. I would say that it would be best to go with the books view of the creature over any of the movies because that is truly the root of the monster.
This just turned into a bunch of fun.
So they dont have a bite attack but if they latch on with both claws they can attempt to swallow hole. They shape shift and have the undying urge to write "Scram" as a shape shifter before they attack.
so far so good..
I'd give it a tentacle attack and a bite attack: no claws. They have intelligence (some) and the ability to fly.
But it says they dont have teeth. What does their mouth look like? I mean is it like a worms mouth where its like swirling death trap of spines or just a big fat jow with a crushing tongue?
I would say they have one point intelligence more than the tarrasque.. because he/she can only understand a language and VK's can only say one word.. which they spell.
Are VK's mute btw?
No damage from the bite but a grab and swallow whole ability.
My son, a fan of the books, also pointed out to me that they have the ability to combine with one another to form larger knids.
Damn. that is pretty amazing. A Greater Vermiscious Knid?
Heres what I meant:One day I was like "Hey I think ill actually stat out what a Maenad is!" (The old greek lovers of Dyonisis) but it turned out they were already made into a creature in the complete psionic.
Then I said "Well maenad has been done, I dont think gremlins exist" turns out they do.
My point was that most iconic names of magical/monstrous beings throughout history has been taken and statted already. Even the Tarasque was taken from an old french legend.
I was just thinking for a moment and it came to me: Are there any phoenixes anywhere in D&D/PF? I can't think of any place where Phoenix is stat'd out.
And I'm more than sure there are all sorts of Native American (and probably Australian though I'm not really clear on aborigines mythos) mythical creatures that aren't anywhere.
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Heres what I meant:One day I was like "Hey I think ill actually stat out what a Maenad is!" (The old greek lovers of Dyonisis) but it turned out they were already made into a creature in the complete psionic.
Then I said "Well maenad has been done, I dont think gremlins exist" turns out they do.
My point was that most iconic names of magical/monstrous beings throughout history has been taken and statted already. Even the Tarasque was taken from an old french legend.
I was just thinking for a moment and it came to me: Are there any phoenixes anywhere in D&D/PF? I can't think of any place where Phoenix is stat'd out.
And I'm more than sure there are all sorts of Native American (and probably Australian though I'm not really clear on aborigines mythos) mythical creatures that aren't anywhere.
MMII or III has stats for the pheonix, I've also seen it stated up in a couple of 3rd party suplements
Heres what I meant:One day I was like "Hey I think ill actually stat out what a Maenad is!" (The old greek lovers of Dyonisis) but it turned out they were already made into a creature in the complete psionic.
Then I said "Well maenad has been done, I dont think gremlins exist" turns out they do.
My point was that most iconic names of magical/monstrous beings throughout history has been taken and statted already. Even the Tarasque was taken from an old french legend.
I was just thinking for a moment and it came to me: Are there any phoenixes anywhere in D&D/PF? I can't think of any place where Phoenix is stat'd out.
And I'm more than sure there are all sorts of Native American (and probably Australian though I'm not really clear on aborigines mythos) mythical creatures that aren't anywhere.
Apparently.
But there are undoubtedly a number of missing mythical beasts that originate in Native American and South Pacific aboriginal mythos.
Yea, well, I bet you could probably use the dark creeper's stats for an oompa loompa.
I've actually thought about doing some things from sci-fi literature for my games. Niven's Slaver Sunflowers, for instance, and some of the flora and fauna from The Integral Trees. I've actually never read the book the movie is based on...guess I should do that. Wonka himself might be a good addition to a game. He is no doubt an evil mastermind.
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The only thing I remember from the books were the songs were CRAZY long and in depth.
The songs in the movie? That was like the summary on a dust jacket.
Heres what I meant:One day I was like "Hey I think ill actually stat out what a Maenad is!" (The old greek lovers of Dyonisis) but it turned out they were already made into a creature in the complete psionic.
Then I said "Well maenad has been done, I dont think gremlins exist" turns out they do.
My point was that most iconic names of magical/monstrous beings throughout history has been taken and statted already. Even the Tarasque was taken from an old french legend.
I was just thinking for a moment and it came to me: Are there any phoenixes anywhere in D&D/PF? I can't think of any place where Phoenix is stat'd out.
And I'm more than sure there are all sorts of Native American (and probably Australian though I'm not really clear on aborigines mythos) mythical creatures that aren't anywhere.
I thought phoenix as well, but its statted out in a monster manual of 3.5. CR 23 I think , totally bad ass.
as for the native americans that might be the next place to go
I'm almost done with the knid. I have to take the kids to the library but will post it when I get back.
Wicht I feel as though you and I might be collaborating on many creatures in the future haha
Atleast I will definitely come to you first on my endeavors
cant wait to see it
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The creature flows and flexes, looking one moment like an eight foot long black worm and the next like some egg-shaped protoplasmic mass.
Vermicious Knid CR 3
XP 800
Medium abberation
Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception -1
Defense
AC 14, touch 10, flat-footed 14 (+4 natural)
hp 42 (4d8+24); regeneration 2
Fort +6, Ref +1, Will +2
DR 5/slashing; Immune cold, criticals, electricity, poison
Offense
Spd 20 ft., fly 30 ft. (poor)
Melee bite +5 (1+2 plus grab) or tentacle +5 (1d4+2 plus grab)
Special Attacks constrict (tentacle; 1d6+2) swallow whole (1d6+2 plus 1d6 acid)
Statistics
Str 14, Dex 10, Con 20, Int 8, Wis 8, Cha 8
Base Atk +2; CMB +4; CMD 18 (Racial Modifier +4; cannot be tripped)
Feats Skill focus (fly), Toughness
Skills Escape Artist +17, Fly +6, Knowledge (planes) +4, Stealth +7; Racial -4 Fly, +12 Escape Artist
Languages Aklo, Common (mute; understand only)
SQ does not breath, elastic, gestalt
Ecology
Environment Space, Underground
Organization solitary, gang (2-7), brood (10-40), swarm (40-160)
Treasure standard
Special Abilities
Elastic (Ex) The vermicious knid's natural shape is that of a worm or snakelike creature, aproximately eight feet in length. However, the knid lacks complex internal organs and a skeleton structure, allowing it to greatly extend or compress its shape, even to the point of forming tentacles with which to attack. The knid can fit through any opening at least six inches in diameter. Furthermore, this elasticity means the knid can swallow a creature of its own size or smaller.
Gestalt (Ex) The vermicious knid has the ability to join with other knids, forming larger versions of itself. While such unions seldom last long, the resulting monstrosities are capable of massive destruction for the duration. Two knids form a large creature; eight form a huge creature; thirty-two form a gargantuan creature; and 128 form a colossal creature. The combined knids add their hitpoints and Hit Dice together. Damage to the whole is subtracted as if from individuals and when enough damage has been done to destroy a single knid, the gestalt knid is considered to be one knid smaller. While most of the knids' abilities, saving throws and skills (including swallow whole) are unaffected by the union; BAB, strength and attacks increase as follows:
Large: BAB +4; Str 18; Bite +9 (1d4+4 plus grab) or tentacle +9 (1d6+4 plus grab; constrict 1d8+4)
Huge: BAB +8; Str 22; Bite +12 (1d6+6 plus grab) or tentacle +12 (1d8+6 plus grab; constrict 2d6+6)
Gargantuan: BAB +16; Str 26; Bite +20 (1d8+8 plus grab) or tentacle +9 (2d6+8 plus grab; constrict 2d8+4)
Colossal: BAB +32; Str 30; Bite +36 (2d6+10 plus grab) or tentacle +36 (2d8+10 plus grab; constrict 4d6+10)
Though a gestalt knid's natural AC increases with the increase in size, this is offset by the size penalty meaning the AC remains at 14. The gestalt knid is immune to mind affecting effects.
Vermicious knids, in their natural form, look like eight-foot long black worms, about a foot in width. Their forms are extremely malleable and as they move, they constantly shift their shape.
Large numbers of vermicious knids roam the depths of space. They feed on any living matter they can find, multiplying according the amount of available food. Planets with atmospheres are generally safe from their deprivations, for their flight is not strong enough to escape the pull of gravity and they burn up on entry. Periodically, however, large numbers of knids will combine into an invasion force, and though many die in entry, a few, safely ensconced in the middle of the mass, manage to survive.
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Vermicious Knids, though in the movie, are not actually mentioned in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I am guessing either Roald Dahl or David Seltzer just liked the name so well they pulled it from Glass Elevator into the script.
The three monsters mentioned in the book as eating Oompa Loompas are hornswogglers, snozzwangers, and wicked wangdoodles.
Vermicious Knids, though in the movie, are not actually mentioned in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I am guessing either Roald Dahl or David Seltzer just liked the name so well they pulled it from Glass Elevator into the script.
The three monsters mentioned in the book as eating Oompa Loompas are hornswogglers, snozzwangers, and wicked wangdoodles.
First of all great job with the VK, just really impressive.
I was going to say the greater knid should be simliar to a greater barghest but still a different creature like the barghest but if the two knids are only attached to each other but not melded your table makes way more sense.
So when are we making those three? :)
Wouldn't the Knids also have fire vulnerability? (such as like mummies have, or Phoenix's to cold?)