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Silver Crusade

Wondering how the a animal or Lycanthrope didn't make the cut for a sorcerer bloodline, but the plant one did? It was the only thing I didn't like about the APG.
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I find it odd that someone may have a plant as an ancestor.
"Oh that's a painting of my great grandmother Hilda. She loved nature..... a LOT."

"We don't eat salad anymore in honor of Grampa Cuke."
Silver Crusade
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Moorluck wrote:

I find it odd that someone may have a plant as an ancestor.

"Oh that's a painting of my great grandmother Hilda. She loved nature..... a LOT."

"We don't eat salad anymore in honor of Grampa Cuke."

In the latest episode of Mysterious Habits of Shambling Mounds and Vegepygmies ...

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Of course, the bloodlines don't imply "only sex" as a reason for having a bloodline. Other things could have happened. A spell gone awry, powerful pact made with a creature, maybe even touched by a nature/plant god(dess).
Evil Genius Prime wrote:
Of course, the bloodlines don't imply "only sex" as a reason for having a bloodline. Other things could have happened. A spell gone awry, powerful pact made with a creature, maybe even touched by a nature/plant god(dess).

Or it may not even be an ancestor. Pamela Isley comes to mind.

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LilithsThrall wrote:
Evil Genius Prime wrote:
Of course, the bloodlines don't imply "only sex" as a reason for having a bloodline. Other things could have happened. A spell gone awry, powerful pact made with a creature, maybe even touched by a nature/plant god(dess).
Or it may not even be an ancestor. Pamela Isley comes to mind.

Awesome example! I like it!

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...."And a few months before we found out she was pregnant, we walked in on her with a squash!"

:P
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Moorluck wrote:

...."And a few months before we found out she was pregnant, we walked in on her with a squash!"

:P

Hilarious! LOL!

I wanna know how plant made it and not zombie!

Undead no reproduce unless your vampire or a shapechanged lich.....
Agamon the Dark wrote:
I wanna know how plant made it and not zombie!

A zombie how many days old? That is the question. Some of that stuff doesn't keep to long....

Okay there implications to magic and breeding that I... I don't really want to truly consider. I blame transmuters, turning things into other things they aren't supposed to be.

Nerds: "We want bush!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWshbNTYVqg&feature=related

...really...I gotta explain it? I don't play these silly things, but it was still the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title.

Though, on second thought, maybe I should have let the necrophilia responses continue....

I've always been amused by people who think Sorcerers must get their power from an actual bloodline. The whole "bloodline" thing was originally supposed to be bs, then a bunch of 14 year old players got all spun up over it, the game designers started trying to meet the market demand, and, before we knew it, we had a bazillion different ways to represent who your ancestors were (feats, race, bloodline, etc.). The Pathfinder game designer just made the whole thing worse.

As time goes on and more class variants are added to the rules, it'll be increasingly more obvious how limiting the whole "bloodline" mess really is. People will start demanding golem bloodlines (steampunk cyborgs), undead bloodlines, etc. and the question "how did you have -that- as an ancestor?" will become as embarrassing as "where do half-orcs come from?" was in 1e.

In my opinion, Paizo should really hammer home the idea that Sorcerers don't commonly get their powers based on the sexual experimentations by their ancestors.
Silver Crusade
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The fluff of Verdant Bloodline in APG goes:

"Your progenitors infused themselves with raw plant life,
binding it into their own tissue and passing it down to their
literal seed, giving you innate communion with nature."

See, no sex necessary, genetic manipulation ftw ! Nothing like having mad vegan scientist progenitors.
LilithsThrall wrote:

As time goes on and more class variants are added to the rules, it'll be increasingly more obvious how limiting the whole "bloodline" mess really is. People will start demanding golem bloodlines (steampunk cyborgs), undead bloodlines, etc. and the question "how did you have -that- as an ancestor?" will become as embarrassing as "where do half-orcs come from?" was in 1e.

Undead bloodline is in PF core, and as said bloodline doesn't mean your ancestors copulated with the being of your bloodline - just that they had some very strong connection to them. [url=http://www.gamebanshee.com/planescapetorment/companions/images/ignus.jpg]Ignus

grandchildren may very well have an elemental bloodline, even though he didn't have sex with an elemental.

Gorbacz wrote:

The fluff of Verdant Bloodline in APG goes:

"Your progenitors infused themselves with raw plant life,
binding it into their own tissue and passing it down to their
literal seed, giving you innate communion with nature."

See, no sex necessary, genetic manipulation ftw ! Nothing like having mad vegan scientist progenitors.

That's awfully convoluted an explanation!

stringburka wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:

As time goes on and more class variants are added to the rules, it'll be increasingly more obvious how limiting the whole "bloodline" mess really is. People will start demanding golem bloodlines (steampunk cyborgs), undead bloodlines, etc. and the question "how did you have -that- as an ancestor?" will become as embarrassing as "where do half-orcs come from?" was in 1e.

Undead bloodline is in PF core, and as said bloodline doesn't mean your ancestors copulated with the being of your bloodline - just that they had some very strong connection to them. [url=http://www.gamebanshee.com/planescapetorment/companions/images/ignus.jpg]Ignus
grandchildren may very well have an elemental bloodline, even though he didn't have sex with an elemental.

What I'm talking about is the fact that many players think sorcerers get their powers exclusively or almost exclusively from their ancestors and Paizo's decision to give Sorcerers something called a "bloodline" just added fuel to that confusion. It would, in my opinion, have helped if, instead of calling it a "bloodline", they'd called it a "quickening".

LilithsThrall wrote:
What I'm talking about is the fact that many players think sorcerers get their powers exclusively or almost exclusively from their ancestors and Paizo's decision to give Sorcerers something called a "bloodline" just added fuel to that confusion. It would, in my opinion, have helped if, instead of calling it a "bloodline", they'd called it a "quickening".

Unless it's actually the case that in pathfinder, sorcerers get their powers from these ancestors, much like how a cleric gets his power from the gods.

stringburka wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:
What I'm talking about is the fact that many players think sorcerers get their powers exclusively or almost exclusively from their ancestors and Paizo's decision to give Sorcerers something called a "bloodline" just added fuel to that confusion. It would, in my opinion, have helped if, instead of calling it a "bloodline", they'd called it a "quickening".
Unless it's actually the case that in pathfinder, sorcerers get their powers from these ancestors, much like how a cleric gets his power from the gods.

You -just in your last post- pointed out that it's not just the case that, in Pathfinder, sorcerers really do get their powers from their ancestors. The rules themselves do say but don't emphasize or really bring out that Sorcerers don't get their powers excluvily from their ancestors. I'm saying that they should have used a word like "quickening" rather than "bloodline" to bring that point out more.

LilithsThrall wrote:


You -just in your last post- pointed out that it's not just the case that, in Pathfinder, sorcerers really do get their powers from their ancestors. The rules themselves do say but don't emphasize or really bring out that Sorcerers don't get their powers excluvily from their ancestors. I'm saying that they should have used a word like "quickening" rather than "bloodline" to bring that point out more.

I said they didn't have to get their powers due to their ancestors having sex with a member of the blooline's species, since the ancestors can get pretty effed up in other ways.

stringburka wrote:
LilithsThrall wrote:


You -just in your last post- pointed out that it's not just the case that, in Pathfinder, sorcerers really do get their powers from their ancestors. The rules themselves do say but don't emphasize or really bring out that Sorcerers don't get their powers excluvily from their ancestors. I'm saying that they should have used a word like "quickening" rather than "bloodline" to bring that point out more.
I said they didn't have to get their powers due to their ancestors having sex with a member of the blooline's species, since the ancestors can get pretty effed up in other ways.

Sorry about the confusion wrt your post.

The fact remains, though, that buried in the class description it points out that your ancestors need not have been involved. Then it calls it a bloodline anyway. Again, I'm saying this is confusing.
LilithsThrall wrote:


Sorry about the confusion wrt your post.
The fact remains, though, that buried in the class description it points out that your ancestors need not have been involved. Then it calls it a bloodline anyway. Again, I'm saying this is confusing.

Yeah, I've missed that totally. Agreed then, it is confusing and unnecessary. I like the bloodline idea, but it's a bit weird name in that case.

I think it was well worded when they wrote "Each sorcerer has a source of magic somewhere in her heritage that grants her spells, bonus feats, an additional class skill, and other special abilities. This source can represent a blood relation or an extreme event involving a creature somewhere in the family's past. For example, a sorcerer might have a dragon as a distant relative or her grandfather might have signed a terrible contract with a devil." (taken from the PRD).

So... interrelation is just an option. Nothing coercing characters into forcibly imagine their ancestors going at it with unwieldy... things.
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