Greater Shield Focus


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


I realize this is more of a rant than a question...

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/greater-shield-focus-combat---final

Why is this feat limited to fighters only? Wouldn't this be an ideal feat for a tankish paladin?


It's one of the fighter only things.

By the same token why is weapon specialization limited to only fighters?

It's all part of the same scheme...

PALADINS CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

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Shush shiny boys, you have enough toys already.


Gorbacz wrote:
Shush shiny boys, you have enough toys already.

HA

I need a level 7 feat - this seems ideal for my 'tankish' build...

(shakes fist at rules)

:)


Do you have dodge yet? That's a good pick. So are improved initiative and toughness.


Abraham spalding wrote:
Do you have dodge yet? That's a good pick. So are improved initiative and toughness.

Can't argue with those suggestions. My init always sucks due to lowish dex. I'm kind of used to it. :)

Don't have the 13 Dex for dodge (although that is a good idea, hadn't thought of that)

Pondering


Other thoughts include:

Extra lay on hands, and extra channeling.

Extra lay on hands is as good as extra HP (in most cases) for you since you can swift action heal and have little else to spend that swift action on as a paladin.


fighters need something to call their own, else they'd all be shiny holy boys on mounts

edit: was trying to think of good feat selection and failed, perhaps the next hour will bring enlightenment

Sovereign Court

I know we paladins are supposed to be pro-tradition, painting-within-the-lines kinda guys (and yes, I say just guys because some frown on she-paladins, not that I do, or would), but much more than that, we're do-gooders, so, at least for me, when in a pinch, I choose goodness over order, and will strive for an exception to the rules when it serves a greater good.

So ask whoever's in charge of your rules if you can get access to that feat, or maybe all fighter feats. you might have to give up something in return, like divine bond, or some smite evil.


Shakeer the Penitent wrote:

I know we paladins are supposed to be pro-tradition, painting-within-the-lines kinda guys (and yes, I say just guys because some frown on she-paladins, not that I do, or would), but much more than that, we're do-gooders, so, at least for me, when in a pinch, I choose goodness over order, and will strive for an exception to the rules when it serves a greater good.

So ask whoever's in charge of your rules if you can get access to that feat, or maybe all fighter feats. you might have to give up something in return, like divine bond, or some smite evil.

i like the idea shakeer, but i would not suggest giving up smite evil, it really owns as you advance in levels, especially when you can give the whole party the bonus for a round.

If you want a more martial paladin, perhaps open up all fighter feats in exchange for no spells but keep smite and lay on hands and such

edit: the main reason paladins don't get fighter feats is balance i think


I highly recommend Extra Lay On Hands. The paladin in my Ptolus: Night of Dissolution took it twice, I think. He never regretted the decision.


I've never been enamored with Extra Lay on Hands, but it does have its uses... one of which is that you can never be tempted to channel on your party with the extra LoHs from the feat, since you can't. It's good to be greedy sometimes.


Ice Titan wrote:
I've never been enamored with Extra Lay on Hands, but it does have its uses... one of which is that you can never be tempted to channel on your party with the extra LoHs from the feat, since you can't. It's good to be greedy sometimes.

be greedy, play an alchemist, keep all your healing and spells to yourself :)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

MundinIronHand wrote:
Ice Titan wrote:
I've never been enamored with Extra Lay on Hands, but it does have its uses... one of which is that you can never be tempted to channel on your party with the extra LoHs from the feat, since you can't. It's good to be greedy sometimes.
be greedy, play an alchemist, keep all your healing and spells to yourself :)

That's what my alchemist does in our Serpent's Skull game. Sips on endure elements pina coladas while the rest of the schlubs in the party are sweating in the heat of Smuggler's Shiv. :)

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Shakeer the Penitent wrote:

I know we paladins are supposed to be pro-tradition, painting-within-the-lines kinda guys (and yes, I say just guys because some frown on she-paladins, not that I do, or would), but much more than that, we're do-gooders, so, at least for me, when in a pinch, I choose goodness over order, and will strive for an exception to the rules when it serves a greater good.

So ask whoever's in charge of your rules if you can get access to that feat, or maybe all fighter feats. you might have to give up something in return, like divine bond, or some smite evil.

Or, just multiclass as a fighter.

You're still a *PALADIN* - you have simply chosen to focus your talents on the martial elements of your craft more so than the spellcasting and divine what-nots.

Think of 3rd Ed multiclassing not as having TWO classes (or more) but as the whole thing being a special homebrew do-it-yourself class that your character is taking that provides level benefits from two classes.


Jason Nelson wrote:
MundinIronHand wrote:
Ice Titan wrote:
I've never been enamored with Extra Lay on Hands, but it does have its uses... one of which is that you can never be tempted to channel on your party with the extra LoHs from the feat, since you can't. It's good to be greedy sometimes.
be greedy, play an alchemist, keep all your healing and spells to yourself :)
That's what my alchemist does in our Serpent's Skull game. Sips on endure elements pina coladas while the rest of the schlubs in the party are sweating in the heat of Smuggler's Shiv. :)

[steal pina colada flavored extracts]

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

MundinIronHand wrote:
Jason Nelson wrote:
MundinIronHand wrote:
Ice Titan wrote:
I've never been enamored with Extra Lay on Hands, but it does have its uses... one of which is that you can never be tempted to channel on your party with the extra LoHs from the feat, since you can't. It's good to be greedy sometimes.
be greedy, play an alchemist, keep all your healing and spells to yourself :)
That's what my alchemist does in our Serpent's Skull game. Sips on endure elements pina coladas while the rest of the schlubs in the party are sweating in the heat of Smuggler's Shiv. :)
[steal pina colada flavored extracts]

She also likes "gettin' caught in the rain" :)


Jason Nelson wrote:
Think of 3rd Ed multiclassing not as having TWO classes (or more) but as the whole thing being a special homebrew do-it-yourself class that your character is taking that provides level benefits from two classes.

That's my view on things. I have a background in point-based systems, so when I come to D&D/PF I look at it like a toolkit - what abilities do I want, and how do I acquire them? Sometimes it requires several classes to get the theme I'm going for, sometimes I do great with just one. Depends on what I want out of my character.


Jason Nelson wrote:
MundinIronHand wrote:
Jason Nelson wrote:
MundinIronHand wrote:
Ice Titan wrote:
I've never been enamored with Extra Lay on Hands, but it does have its uses... one of which is that you can never be tempted to channel on your party with the extra LoHs from the feat, since you can't. It's good to be greedy sometimes.
be greedy, play an alchemist, keep all your healing and spells to yourself :)
That's what my alchemist does in our Serpent's Skull game. Sips on endure elements pina coladas while the rest of the schlubs in the party are sweating in the heat of Smuggler's Shiv. :)
[steal pina colada flavored extracts]
She also likes "gettin' caught in the rain" :)

I only drink the blood of my enemies!

...and the occasional strawberry yoohoo...

...grenadine, straight from the can!

EDIT: Kudos to whom ever gets the reference.

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