Doesn't look like the APG supports this (and realistically, why should it :)) but I want to run one in an upcoming game. What would be a fair trade for the Wildshape power? I was thinking 2 Domains, but that may be a bit much. It's a RP heavy character, not a combat monster, so "under powered" ideas work, if they fit with the archetype (Huck Finn-esque). I want full spells, and full critter progressions, want to stick with 3/4 BAB and D8 HD. Thoughts?
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look at Unearthed Arcana for 3.5 it had options to trade wildshape for.
Gain: Bonus to Armor Class when unarmored (as monk, including Wisdom bonus to AC), fast movement (as monk), favored enemy (as ranger), swift tracker (as ranger), Track feat (as ranger).
Lose: Armor and shield proficiency, wild shape (all versions).
not a bad trade in my opinion
look at Unearthed Arcana for 3.5 it had options to trade wildshape for.
Gain: Bonus to Armor Class when unarmored (as monk, including Wisdom bonus to AC), fast movement (as monk), favored enemy (as ranger), swift tracker (as ranger), Track feat (as ranger).
Lose: Armor and shield proficiency, wild shape (all versions).
not a bad trade in my opinion
+1, I was going to suggest this.
Maybe take both Nature's Bonds. One normally and the second in place of Wildshape?
So I guess you might be able to end with two domains from the druid list and no animal companion.
look at Unearthed Arcana for 3.5 it had options to trade wildshape for.
Gain: Bonus to Armor Class when unarmored (as monk, including Wisdom bonus to AC), fast movement (as monk), favored enemy (as ranger), swift tracker (as ranger), Track feat (as ranger).
Lose: Armor and shield proficiency, wild shape (all versions).
not a bad trade in my opinion
Hmmm... I may look into this. I already play a cleric with the monk AC swap in a PbP, and I really like it for thematic reasons (he's an unarmed strike cleric of Irori, why would he wear armor?), and this may fit too, but I'm concerned my DM (same guy in PbP and F2F) would start to see it as my "go to" munchkin setting :) Not sure the ranger stuff really fits the character, and PFRPG has really bumped up the Fav enemy feature, but I'll run it by him. Thanks all.
Or you just don't use it and gain no benefit at all.
Not like druids really need wild shape to be effective with a very solid spell list and a pet, plus all the other little nice abilities on top.
I almost went this direction too, but as much as I don't want a combat druid, I also don;t want the rest of the party to see him as useless, ya know?
Just to jump on the super genius bandwagon, the super genius arcane archtypes (odly enough not everything in here is archane) mentions the 'beastlord' archtype for the druid which includes wild empathy, spontaneous summon natures ally and wildshapping. This archtype can be traded out for anything in the product, providing alot of options, not all of them powerful but most of them interesting.
Just to jump on the super genius bandwagon,.....
Iiiinteresting, veddy interesting. DM is kinda big on "paizo/core only", but we've been playing together for so long that he lets me mix and match a good bit, and since I DM most of the time, he knows I won't try and break anything. But bringing in 3p may be too much, especially since he will get smacked with APG stuff int he next week or so :)
Just to jump on the super genius bandwagon,.....Iiiinteresting, veddy interesting. DM is kinda big on "paizo/core only", but we've been playing together for so long that he lets me mix and match a good bit, and since I DM most of the time, he knows I won't try and break anything. But bringing in 3p may be too much, especially since he will get smacked with APG stuff int he next week or so :)
Show him some of the supergenius stuff. Usually thats all it takes. Heck if you ask hyrum he'll prolly send a product along for free. It's really solid stuff, and Owen is superb at frustrating one's inner munchkin. I have found exactly 2 lines in their entire product line (yes i have it all except for the premade adventures)that I felt needed changes for power reasons. 2 sentances in a binder full of material. I have yet to see a core system that matches that kind of quality.
Maybe take both Nature's Bonds. One normally and the second in place of Wildshape?
So I guess you might be able to end with two domains from the druid list and no animal companion.
Hmmm, that made much more sense in my head.
I meant you could consider taking a druid domain from the Nature's Bond list instead of Wildshape.
Show him some of the supergenius stuff. Usually thats all it takes. Heck if you ask hyrum he'll prolly send a product along for free. It's really solid stuff, and Owen is superb at frustrating one's inner munchkin. I have found exactly 2 lines in their entire product line (yes i have it all except for the premade adventures)that I felt needed changes for power reasons. 2 sentances in a binder full of material. I have yet to see a core system that matches that kind of quality.Just to jump on the super genius bandwagon,.....Iiiinteresting, veddy interesting. DM is kinda big on "paizo/core only", but we've been playing together for so long that he lets me mix and match a good bit, and since I DM most of the time, he knows I won't try and break anything. But bringing in 3p may be too much, especially since he will get smacked with APG stuff int he next week or so :)
I only read Godlings from SGG, but I canj say it is certainly not overpowered like 3p tends to be, to the contrary it feels a bit weak overall, flavorwise it wasn't awesome but certainly not bad. I might check out some more stuff from them since they do offer for very reasonable prices.
Otherwise :
"look at Unearthed Arcana for 3.5 it had options to trade wildshape for.
Gain: Bonus to Armor Class when unarmored (as monk, including Wisdom bonus to AC), fast movement (as monk), favored enemy (as ranger), swift tracker (as ranger), Track feat (as ranger).
Lose: Armor and shield proficiency, wild shape (all versions). "
This option seems a good one, except that I find favored terrain more appropraite than favored enemies for the druid.
Fast movement maybe only in favored terrain.
This option seems a good one, except that I find favored terrain more appropriate than favored enemies for the druid.
I actually submitted this very idea, but it was kicked back as being OP :(
Fast movement maybe only in favored terrain.
Seems like WS in UA/3.5 was considered much stronger than it is now. How do you think a domains powers and extra spells compare over the first 10 levels?
