201] In 2009 (20th Anniversary of Rifts), Kevin Siembieda finally caves to fan pressure and allows Rifts to be converted into other settings. With the rush of people wanting to convert the setting to other systems, everything from d20 to Savage Worlds, and even the obscure Battlelords of the 23rd Century systems, KS becomes a prince among the RPG community. Palladium Sales go through the roof, the Rifts movie is finally completed, RiftsCon buys out GenCon, and role-playing spreads like wild fire through society, Rifts main book is translated into 92 languages, and the Rifts Campaign Setting is played in almost every country.
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202) Sergey Korolyov, lead Soviet rocket designer does not feud with Vladimir Chelomei, the lead Soviet rocket engine designer, during development of the N-1, the USSR's planned rocket booster to take cosmonauts to the Moon. As a result, the N-1 does not explode spectacularly during every launch attempt due to the difficulty of getting 30 small engines to ignite simultaneously on the launch pad, and as such the USSR beats the US to the Moon in the wake of Apollo 11. The USSR maintains its reputation for space technological superiority developed from Sputnik and the Vostok program, and goes on to further develop this superiority.
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196] The library of Alexandria is never burned and scholars have access to the span of Ancient history, resulting in the archaeological location of Atlantis.
But we know where Atlantis was: on the now Greek island of Santorin!
This hollow island was a volcano that erupted in 1500 BC, destroying the Atlantis people.
203) Charlie Manson's 'family' successfully manages to manufacture and dump hundreds of gallons of LSD into LA's water supply.
(gentlemen, let's keep numbering...)194) Disgusted by his politics and believing Malcolm X to be the future of the Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhammad's paid assassin instead slays his employer.Thank you for this. Reason #6,742 I think Farrakhan is a dirtbag.
Ooooooh...so you think Farrakhan was behind this instead of Elijah Muhammad? Interesting...I've heard that theory before. I still point fingers at the guy who was most threatened by Malcolm X, but your theory is sound.
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203) Charlie Manson's 'family' successfully manages to manufacture and dump hundreds of gallons of LSD into LA's water supply.And history would change how, exactly? LA's flaky anyway ;)
Riots set in motion by mass paranoia and halucination. Emergency Services incapacitated. Millitary must be bought in from interstate.
Riots set in motion by mass paranoia and halucination. Emergency Services incapacitated. Millitary must be bought in from interstate.203) Charlie Manson's 'family' successfully manages to manufacture and dump hundreds of gallons of LSD into LA's water supply.And history would change how, exactly? LA's flaky anyway ;)
I lol at the LA jab(god...must they steal EVERYTHING from the East Coast? RETURN THE DODGERS TO BROOKLYN!!!!), but YD is right here. It would have been quite ugly if an army of people starting tripping.
204) The Knights Templar, fearing the rumors of a backlash that is heading their way, close ranks and make ready for war against their brothers in faith.
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205) After the War of Toledo, Michigan is allowed to keep Toledo, and never receives the Upper Penninsula.
When iron and copper ore are discovered, it's the lumber magnates in Milwaukee instead of Detroit that benefit, and Milwaukee becomes the Motor City.
The financial and political center of Michigan becomes the Southwest, where Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo have the benefit of trade and relations with Chicago and Milwaukee.
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Riots set in motion by mass paranoia and halucination. Emergency Services incapacitated. Millitary must be bought in from interstate.203) Charlie Manson's 'family' successfully manages to manufacture and dump hundreds of gallons of LSD into LA's water supply.And history would change how, exactly? LA's flaky anyway ;)
Which has happened a few times in LA's history... so nothing really different. ;-)
203) Charlie Manson's 'family' successfully manages to manufacture and dump hundreds of gallons of LSD into LA's water supply.And history would change how, exactly? LA's flaky anyway ;)
Sorry evrybody, now for the full text.
203) Charlie Manson's 'family' successfully manages to manufacture and dump hundreds of gallons of LSD into LA's water supply. LBJ uses the incident as an excuse to crack down on the hippie movement resulting in a national ban on rock-n-roll. The summer of love and the British invasion never happen.
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Ooooooh...so you think Farrakhan was behind this instead of Elijah Muhammad? Interesting...I've heard that theory before. I still point fingers at the guy who was most threatened by Malcolm X, but your theory is sound.(gentlemen, let's keep numbering...)194) Disgusted by his politics and believing Malcolm X to be the future of the Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhammad's paid assassin instead slays his employer.Thank you for this. Reason #6,742 I think Farrakhan is a dirtbag.
I think either it was a conspiracy between the two, or Farrakhan planned it. He knew El-Shabazz had more charisma in his pinkie than Louis has in his whole body, and that the movement would have ultimately been El-Shabazz's to lead. So, from my perspective, Farrakhan, as heir apparent, had the most to lose.
Him appointing the assassin to El-Shabazz's ministry when he was released from prison didn't do much to shake my theory either.
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205) 1562 Elizabeth the 1st dies of smallpox. Rather then let Mary Queen of Scots claim the English throne, the Privy Council turns to Henry the the VIII's will which rules out the Scotish line turns to Katherine Grey Seymour (Lady Jane's sister), who has an infant son Edward.
The 'Elizabethan' age never happens, and soon Mary, backed by the French, invades. For 30 years Queen Katherines heirs (she died in 1568) fight the Stuarts, in a bloody war of religion. Eventually the Seymour Dynasty emerges triumphant (Mary was an idiot) and the Kings that follow, feeling their Crown was less secure, fail to alienate parliment. England remains a near absolute monarchy, somewhat more simular to France.
206) American Civil War: Jefferson Davis, on the advice of Robert E. Lee replaces Joe Johnston w/ James Longstreet. Longstreet, following Johnston's plans manages to hold Sherman's Army outside Atlanta until Nov. 12th 1864, just long enough to ensure the election of George Mclellan as the 17th President of the United States. The war ends in June 1865 with a Union Victory. However Lincoln lives for many years afterwards.
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Kerney
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207. Egyptology begins in the 9th century thanks to the early studies of Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibn Wahshiyah, a ninth century alchemist. Ibn Wahshiyah's work on ancient writing systems showed that he was able to correctly decipher many hieroglyphic signs. Being an alchemist not a linguist, his primary interest was to identify the phonetic value and meaning of hieroglyphic signs with the aim of accessing the ancient Egyptian scientific knowledge inscribed in hieroglyphs.
However, his work gains the attention of a Patron and a School is established promoting the survey and exploration of Egyptian ruins. Artefacts flood the Arab World as a golden Age of Scholarship and treasure hunting plunder a wealth of discoveries to be made across the region. By the time of the crusades the Arab world is unified under the belief that they are they are indeed the inheritors of the Civilized World. Schools of Islamic Scholarship are established across the Fringes of the Christain world making Arabic the Language of Diplomacy.
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204) The Knights Templar, fearing the rumors of a backlash that is heading their way, close ranks and make ready for war against their brothers in faith.
204 b)
In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in France, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders. Neither was amenable to the idea, but Pope Clement persisted, and in 1306 he invited both Grand Masters to France to discuss the matter. De Molay arrived first in early 1307, but de Villaret was delayed for several months. While waiting, De Molay and Clement discussed charges that had been made two years prior by an ousted Templar. It was generally agreed that the charges were false. Clement decides to keep this information to himself and does not send a written request to King Philip IV of France for assistance in the investigation. Fearing that since King Philip was already deeply in debt to the Templars from his war with the English he may decided to seize upon the rumors for his own purposes, and would begin pressuring the Church to take action against the Order, as a way of freeing himself from his debts. As such the Templars end up carrying debts from France into the modern age.
195) Tired of being picked on as a child, Martin Luther King Jr. takes his father's advice and starts learning how to box. He goes on to win various regional championships and makes a serious go of a professional career. Frustrated by the regular and institutionalized racism he encounters, and famed for his "all men equal in the ring" quote, he becomes a civil rights leader, renown for encouraging people of all races to study boxing and other unarmed fighting styles to better defend themselves when set upon by aggressors. Police officers intending to arrest him think twice before setting hands upon him, and most of his demonstrations and marches are peaceful if only due to fear of his fighting prowess and that of the second and third generation students that fill out these demonstrations. Although he is eventually cut down by an assassin's bullet, he recieves a hero's funeral and the MLK style of boxing is taught to almost every minority child in the years following his death.
195(a)Inspired by King a young boxer named Cassius Clay never joins the nation of Islam and becomes a major proponent of the human rights movement eventually gaining election to the Senate.
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204) The Knights Templar, fearing the rumors of a backlash that is heading their way, close ranks and make ready for war against their brothers in faith.204 b)
In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in France, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders. Neither was amenable to the idea, but Pope Clement persisted, and in 1306 he invited both Grand Masters to France to discuss the matter. De Molay arrived first in early 1307, but de Villaret was delayed for several months. While waiting, De Molay and Clement discussed charges that had been made two years prior by an ousted Templar. It was generally agreed that the charges were false. Clement decides to keep this information to himself and does not send a written request to King Philip IV of France for assistance in the investigation. Fearing that since King Philip was already deeply in debt to the Templars from his war with the English he may decided to seize upon the rumors for his own purposes, and would begin pressuring the Church to take action against the Order, as a way of freeing himself from his debts. As such the Templars end up carrying debts from France into the modern age.
204 c) Facing Bankruptcy, and on advice from his Lombard Bankers (to whom he owes a lot of money), King Philip nationalizes all French Lands and then charges a blanket lease fee of one gold Noble per acre per year. With all land held as property of the State, The Nobility are upset by the fact that they are now in the same boat as the Peasants they previously squeezed - who are better off in that they can grow food and sell it for money to pay their lease to the state. This reshuffle of the French Economy momentarily takes the pressure off the Poor. Unfortunatly it still puts him at odds with the church and the Templars who are now paying Tax.
208. Amenophis IV (also known as Akhenaten) dies early in his reign as king of Egypt. As a result the instability caused by his attempt at imposing monotheism on Egypt never occurs and Egypt is able to more effectively maintain the New Kingdom against its rivals and support their allies, the Mittani, against the Hittites.
209. Bowing to pressure from business and church groups (and supposedly a message from beyond from his dead mother) Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King permits the landing of the MS St. Louis in Halifax and the Jewish refugees from the Nazis oppression are allowed to settle in Canada and Mackenzie King agrees to leave the door open for more Jewish refugees. As a result, hundreds of thousands migrate out of Europe and their ingenuity and industriousness helps to rebuild the Canadian economy from the ravages of the Great Depression, and leads to a flowering of scientific research at Canadian universities. (Incidentally, Mackenzie King, the longest-serving Canadian Prime Minister (21 years total; December 29, 1921 to June 28, 1926; September 25, 1926 to August 6, 1930; and October 23, 1935 to November 15, 1948) really did think he communed with his dead mother - the guy was a nut and (like every other leader in the Americas, including FDR) refused entry to the refugees on the St. Louis but he did lead Canada through the Second World War without the country getting ripped to shreds so he was a decent enough PM for the time)
210. After the Fall of France, Hitler and Mussolini put pressure on Franco to fully join the Axis Powers and Franco, reluctantly, agrees. Gibraltar falls to the Axis and with the supply lines cut, Malta also falls leaving the Axis with undisputed mastery of the Mediterranean, allowing an invasion of the Middle East.
211. In 539 BC, the Etruscan and Carthaginian leadership get into an argument that escalates into war, preventing them from uniting their forces against the Greeks. As a result, the Greeks continue to occupy Corsica and expand their holdings in the western Mediterranean and eventually emerge as the dominant power in the region.
212. The Mycenaean invasion force sent to Crete in 1450 or so BC is repulsed by the native Minoans and an alliance between the Mycenaeans and Minoans is established.
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213) George Lucas makes 3 prequels to Star Wars that don't suck. Millions of people don't want their time and money back.
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214. The Creators of Superman decide to resist Macarthyism. A 50's reboot of Superman paints Macarthy as an enemy of humanity responsible for the Death of Superman occuring in reboot issue #1. Superman becomes an underground Comic about Resistance fighters under a Mcarthy - ruled Totalitarian North America where Macarthy has as President launched a Nuclear Attack on disloyal US cities and blamed it on the Soviets. in that Dystopia - Young North American Children begin developing Superpowers and form a resistance to overthrow the evil that is Macarthy and his loyalists.
35. 1526 Tidal Wave does not take out the Islamic Colony in North Australia. Australia becomes an Islamic State as the indigenous population are converted to the one true faith.
Which Islamic colony might that be?
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213) George Lucas makes 3 prequels to Star Wars that don't suck. Millions of people don't want their time and money back.
215) Gary Kurtz convinces George Lucas not to take the short term investment of toys profits and instead to keep with his original vision. 1983 Starwars VI Revenge of the Jedi opens. The ending has people clamoring for more. The surprise death of Han Solo and the destruction of the rebel forces on Kashyyk with the Emperor laughing over the rebel dead means a second trilogy is made 10 years later.
Gary Kurtz takes 5 more years to make The Dark Crystal but instead of a single movie it is also a trilogy. Considered the best fantasy movies ever. It is co-produced by George Lucas.
The final prequels are released years later but like Revenge there is no sweet simple funny childish toy characters. The toys and other merchandise are on the shelves for years thereafter and the TV series in released in 2000 during the release of the prequels.
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35. 1526 Tidal Wave does not take out the Islamic Colony in North Australia. Australia becomes an Islamic State as the indigenous population are converted to the one true faith.Which Islamic colony might that be?
The one where the local indigenous language got polluted with Islamic words thanks to the activities of islamic Clerics...before europeans showed up two hundred and fifty years later and declared that they wer first to get drunk and ride their ship accidentally onto the several thousand mile long reef.
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Several opportunities for tipping points were missed during the Civil War. One was the Battle of Gettysburg where the Northern General (Not U.S. Grant) passed up an opportunity to continue the chase and destroy the Confederate army which would have ended the war almost 2 years earlier. Lincoln survives to complete 2 perhaps 3 terms as President avoiding the worst of the carpetbag era that would descend on the South.
I think most of the people are avoiding the obvious ones.
216) Here is one. Night of May 3rd 1863: Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson is not wounded in a friendly fire incident while scouting a night attack. Almost a month latter, at Gettysburg. On the second day he captures the left flank and the encircles a the large percentage of the Union Army. The rest retreats toward Harrisburg.
Lee, realizing that time is limited goes for the decicive victory. Before the Union Army can regroup he heads south to the forts surrounding Washington DC. Against the advice of Jackson and Longstreet, Lee sends the cream of his army into the fortifications around Washington DC. 'Pickett's Charge' ends is an even greater disaster for the Confederates then IRL and while the Army of Northern Virgina successfully retreats, it is less able to withstand the hammer blows of Grant the next Summer and comes apart in August 1864 outside Petersburg.
Grant, supplied by Sea, marches down the Carolina coast. The remains of Lee's Army manages to unite with Johnston in Georgia but by then the damage is done. The Army of Northern Virgina and the Army of Tennesee surrender in Dec. 1864, just in time for Christmas.
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201] In 2009 (20th Anniversary of Rifts), Kevin Siembieda finally caves to fan pressure and allows Rifts to be converted into other settings. With the rush of people wanting to convert the setting to other systems, everything from d20 to Savage Worlds, and even the obscure Battlelords of the 23rd Century systems, KS becomes a prince among the RPG community. Palladium Sales go through the roof, the Rifts movie is finally completed, RiftsCon buys out GenCon, and role-playing spreads like wild fire through society, Rifts main book is translated into 92 languages, and the Rifts Campaign Setting is played in almost every country.
If only Kevin wasn't so damned smug and elitist with his horribly clunky and outdated system. *Sigh*
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196) His disciples taking his 'body and blood' edict a little too literally, Jesus does not survive the third course of his Last Supper. Its cannibalistic leanings making it extremely unpopular, Christianity is dismissed as a horrid cult that is squashed by Rome.
Speaking of which ... Link (not safe for the weak of stomach or the ultra-Christian)
35. 1526 Tidal Wave does not take out the Islamic Colony in North Australia. Australia becomes an Islamic State as the indigenous population are converted to the one true faith.Which Islamic colony might that be?
Fishermen from Java, Bali, and other Islands had semi-permanent seasonal villages in northern Australia for 100's of years. Ding is exaggerating a little. Aside from that a lot of the villages would have been Hindu or Buddhist as much as they would have been Islamic.
196) His disciples taking his 'body and blood' edict a little too literally, Jesus does not survive the third course of his Last Supper. Its cannibalistic leanings making it extremely unpopular, Christianity is dismissed as a horrid cult that is squashed by Rome.
There was a sect called the Fibanites (sp?) (I am still trying to track down a reference). That actually did this and freaked the Romans out, that is one of the Reasons the Romans came down so hard on the early christians.
213) George Lucas makes 3 prequels to Star Wars that don't suck. Millions of people don't want their time and money back.
Somebody please take me to this universe.
Wow guys... lots of american history here. Anyway:
217) The chinese emperor's representative, leading his fleet west to determine if there are other civilizations there, does not lose heart and make his decision to turn back just east of Madagascar. His fleet of massive warships and their huge numbers of soldiers continue for a few days more, eventually discovering the western civilization... in the middle ages.
218) Martin Luther decides to recant his heresies. Much of the impetus and the ideas that grew into the french and then the american revolutions never take root.
The one where the local indigenous language got polluted with Islamic words thanks to the activities of islamic Clerics...before europeans showed up two hundred and fifty years later and declared that they wer first to get drunk and ride their ship accidentally onto the several thousand mile long reef.35. 1526 Tidal Wave does not take out the Islamic Colony in North Australia. Australia becomes an Islamic State as the indigenous population are converted to the one true faith.Which Islamic colony might that be?
You still haven't answered the question. There was no "one" colony.
Sure there was centuries of seasonal interaction and there would have been some temporary, seasonal fishing/trading camps set up, and some Makassans may have stayed on occasionally in the off-season.
But to describe those as colonies is farcical. 8th Dwarf - yellowdingo is more than just exaggerating "a little".
The idea of this thread is to base the alternate history on a fact. Not make something up and then imagine what would have happened if another imagined event occurred.
And while some Aboriginal languages took on some Indonesian words, to describe it as "polluted with Islamic words" is just plain offensive.
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I dont know what version of history you have been spun...but in 1526 there was a permanent islamic community in North Australia. It didnt survive 250 years of cyclones and a tidal wave.
It wasnt a 'seasonal Makassan fishing camp'. It was a proper - full blown permanent port with Big white mosque, and a 'Convert the locals to Islam' policy.
There are not just a few 'indonesian' words in the assorted indigenous languages across the northern Territory, there is a selection of Islamic concepts permeating the culture and actual islamic words - varied slightly after 250 years - but in use.
The Influence of Islam has absolutly polluted the North Australian indigenous culture- Sufficiently so that had there been no contact with islam - there would have been a very different Indigenous culture on 'European' settlement.
Even 1526 Islam is not the first 'eurasian' contact. There are references to the great churn seen in hindu culture as well as its associated 'laki-laki' reference in Indonesian (Thats the Star Brothers who pull on the rope if you ever look for it in Australia).
That right there implies some sort of Indian Empire (or at least extensive and far reaching trade) with contact at it's height with Northern Australia.
Thats why i have real concerns by the false premis perpetuated by historians who want there to be 50,000 years of Aboriginal Isolation right up to Captain Cook's Arrival. Even the presence of Mortar and Pestle technology - something that emerged in the middle east 10,000 years ago is present in Indigenous cultures in North Australia.
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218) Martin Luther decides to recant his heresies. Much of the impetus and the ideas that grew into the french and then the american revolutions never take root.
Luther's Actions originally led to the liberalization of Universities and the acceptability of the questioning of Ideology and Doctrine. Without The Martin Luther movement. There will be no Genetics, no Newtonian Physics, No women in University study.
I dont know what version of history you have been spun...but in 1526 there was a permanent islamic community in North Australia. It didnt survive 250 years of cyclones and a tidal wave.
It wasnt a 'seasonal Makassan fishing camp'. It was a proper - full blown permanent port with Big white mosque, and a 'Convert the locals to Islam' policy.
Perhaps you would like to cite some serious references for your claims. And perhaps educate us as to where this colony and "big white mosque" were located.
In 1526 Islam was only making inroad into Eastern Indonesia and still consolidating in Java and other major population centres.
There are not just a few 'indonesian' words in the assorted indigenous languages across the northern Territory, there is a selection of Islamic concepts permeating the culture and actual islamic words - varied slightly after 250 years - but in use.
The presence of Indonesian words (or more likely trade Malay which was the lingua franca of traders in the region) has no bearing on whether there was a colony or not, as it does not indicate when the interaction that led to the loan words appearing started. The words would still appear if the interaction commenced in the 1600s, 1700s or later.
I'm curious, what are the Islamic concepts that permeate the culture? And, again, how do they support the 1526 claim?
The Influence of Islam has absolutly polluted the North Australian indigenous culture- Sufficiently so that had there been no contact with islam - there would have been a very different Indigenous culture on 'European' settlement.
Now you are heading off to fairyland with this statement. What is this "pollution" you speak of and how did it alter aboriginal culture in northern Australia compared to areas where this supposed pollution did not occur? Sure there was interaction - even intermarriage, limited trade etc - but again, this is independent of when the first contacts occured. Some historians suggest that the contact only dates back to around 1750. Which one(s) are you using to support the 1526 claim.
Even 1526 Islam is not the first 'eurasian' contact. There are references to the great churn seen in hindu culture as well as its associated 'laki-laki' reference in Indonesian (Thats the Star Brothers who pull on the rope if you ever look for it in Australia).
That right there implies some sort of Indian Empire (or at least extensive and far reaching trade) with contact at it's height with Northern Australia.
Whether or not certain Indian cultures had contact with Australia is irrelevant. We know the Dutch "discovered" Australia well before Cook, the Spanish were aware of it (after all Torres could not have not noticed Australia as he sailed through the Straits which are now named after him), possible Chinese visits, etc. So what? It has no bearing on the 1526 Islam claim.
Thats why i have real concerns by the false premis perpetuated by historians who want there to be 50,000 years of Aboriginal Isolation right up to Captain Cook's Arrival. Even the presence of Mortar and Pestle technology - something that emerged in the middle east 10,000 years ago is present in Indigenous cultures in North Australia.
I doubt there are any serious historians who suggest complete cultural isolation pre-Captain Cook. But the impact was minimal. And if there were good grounds to eastablish an "Islamic colony" pre-1526, surely there would have been grounds to rebuild it after it was apparently destroyed.
I'm assuming you are suggesting the presence of mortars and pestles in northern Australia somehow suggests a link with other cultures. Simple technologies such as this can emerge independent of contact with other cultures. That would like saying aboriginal communties in Victoria only learnt how to make eel traps because they obtained the technology from another culture. But this is a diversion away from your central claim of a colony (with big white mosque) somewhere in northern Australia in 1526...
218) Martin Luther decides to recant his heresies. Much of the impetus and the ideas that grew into the french and then the american revolutions never take root.Luther's Actions originally led to the liberalization of Universities and the acceptability of the questioning of Ideology and Doctrine. Without The Martin Luther movement. There will be no Genetics, no Newtonian Physics, No women in University study.
.... and apparently it meant that punctuation never developed. Curse you Martin Luther!
But seriously, to claim that Martin Luther alone was responsible for all those issues is ludicrous. His work and actions may have had the effect of speeding up change in certain areas, but it is drawing an incredibly long bow - even by the standards of this thread - to suggest that he alone was the reason.
8th Dwarf - yellowdingo is more than just exaggerating "a little".
And while some Aboriginal languages took on some Indonesian words, to describe it as "polluted with Islamic words" is just plain offensive.
I was trying to be nice.... I thought about flagging the polluted statement.... Ding is a unique individual with some out there ideas I am never 100% if he is being serious or not.
I should have pinned ding on the location of the "Indian/Islamic" settlement - as I do have a minor in Paleo-Anthropology and Australian Historical Archaeology.
There is evidence for outside contact up-to 5000 years ago with the introduction of the Dingo which is not a native species.
8th Dwarf - yellowdingo is more than just exaggerating "a little".
And while some Aboriginal languages took on some Indonesian words, to describe it as "polluted with Islamic words" is just plain offensive.
I was trying to be nice.... I thought about flagging the polluted statement.... Ding is a unique individual with some out there ideas I am never 100% if he is being serious or not.
I should have pinned ding on the location of the "Indian/Islamic" settlement - as I do have a minor in Paleo-Anthropology and Australian Historical Archaeology.
There is evidence for outside contact up-to 5000 years ago with the introduction of the Dingo which is not a native species.
True - there are obvious connections between Australia and lands to the north. I saw show a while back that looked at the dingo issue. iirc it said our dingos are basically the same as the scrawny, half-domesticated dogs in places like Thailand.
My wife also has a degree in aboriginal archaeology and just laughed when I told her of the Islamic colony. One of the areas she studied was rock art, including art that depicts various sailing ships pre-Captain Cook era.
True - there are obvious connections between Australia and lands to the north. I saw show a while back that looked at the dingo issue. iirc it said our dingos are basically the same as the scrawny, half-domesticated dogs in places like Thailand.My wife also has a degree in aboriginal archaeology and just laughed when I told her of the Islamic colony. One of the areas she studied was rock art, including art that depicts various sailing ships pre-Captain Cook era.
There are some references to the Chinese (both in chinese history and rock art) coming as far south as Northern Australia. There is no evidence to suggest they went further south.
Major evidence for lack contact is that the was insufficient immunity to outside disease - Some put the pre Colonial population at about 4 million - a decade later it was down to 1 million (estimated).
I am interested in the fish traps in northern Victoria, we only touched on them in passing, there was evidence for continual seasonal inhabitation.
Where did your wife do her degree? I went to UNE, I was very lucky to have Mike Morwood as one of my lecturers.
True - there are obvious connections between Australia and lands to the north. I saw show a while back that looked at the dingo issue. iirc it said our dingos are basically the same as the scrawny, half-domesticated dogs in places like Thailand.My wife also has a degree in aboriginal archaeology and just laughed when I told her of the Islamic colony. One of the areas she studied was rock art, including art that depicts various sailing ships pre-Captain Cook era.
There are some references to the Chinese (both in chinese history and rock art) coming as far south as Northern Australia. There is no evidence to suggest they went further south.
Major evidence for lack contact is that the was insufficient immunity to outside disease - Some put the pre Colonial population at about 4 million - a decade later it was down to 1 million (estimated).
I am interested in the fish traps in northern Victoria, we only touched on them in passing, there was evidence for continual seasonal inhabitation.
Where did your wife do her degree? I went to UNE, I was very lucky to have Mike Morwood as one of my lecturers.
ANU in the 80s, but that is getting us way off the topic of this thread ;)
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8th Dwarf, Gallo, your discussion reminded me of the time when an acqaintance of mine watched a movie set 1964 Nazi Germany and asked me whether it was based off of real events. I thought the Germans winning would be a tip off...but it wasn't.
I then mentioned this story online, and someone said "well, couldn't it be true?" I foolishly commented about the state of education. In complete sincerity she then let me know she was a college history major and started accusing me of talking down to her, among other things.
I then said politely as I could, it was rather like Robert E. Lee equiping his army with Ak-47's. She didn't get that either.
Needless to say, even though my minor was in Native American Archeology, I'm quite sure the there was no Islamic colony in Australia in 1526.
All the Best,
Kerney