Video of all the speeches at the banquest including the full APG preview:
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I think Jason Buhlman is 6-ft 8-in or thereabouts, for what it's worth.
6,2 feet. That would be 1.83 m. Not so tall. A bit of a disappointment really ;-)
Jason is slightly taller than me, I think, and I'm 6'2''.6'2" isn't tall???
What are you, Dutch?
It's not really that tall, I'm 6'6". ;-)
And I'm not Dutch either... are they supposed to be taller than others?
On average the tallest people in the world. Funnily Scandinivians average 5'10-5'11 despite their tall stereotype, while the Irish do too, despuite out stereotype for being short. But yes, the dutch are the only people with an average over 6'.
P.S. 6'6" is huge, at 6'2" 92% of humans are shorter than I am, and its a bell curve, so, you know.
Video of all the speeches at the banquest including the full APG preview:
Thanks. Works great.
I got my wish granted! The Oracle got a healing mystery (called Life).
how big is that file? Thanks
how big is that file? Thanks
nevermind.... 1.4ish gigs
Just go find Cosmo's desk if you want a mustache-twirling fix, Wes.Was it just me, or did anyone else see that thing move independently? I almost hit Cos in the face with a book because I thought it was a yellow musk creeper growing out of his head.
Cosmo is Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo?!?! {rolls for SAN check...}
Apparently I'm supposed to deliver cookies to this thread?
Video of people eating baguettes?Video of all the speeches at the banquest including the full APG preview:
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Anyway, I don't get this sniper rogue. Even if the rogue can sneak attack someone from a far as she can only do it once. When the foe is flat footed.
The archer rogue really suck unless she have greater invisibility cast on her. And even so, if the enemy has Blind fight the rogue can't sneak attack evemn if she is invisible. Or if the enemy has tremor sence.
The problem with archer rogue is she can't flank with a bow.
The Blog today was nice.
Crud, I missed yesterdays blog. If someone could find and link it for me I'd be grateful.
Video of people eating baguettes?Video of all the speeches at the banquest including the full APG preview:
LOL
Anyway, I don't get this sniper rogue. Even if the rogue can sneak attack someone from a far as she can only do it once. When the foe is flat footed.
The archer rogue really suck unless she have greater invisibility cast on her. And even so, if the enemy has Blind fight the rogue can't sneak attack evemn if she is invisible. Or if the enemy has tremor sence.The problem with archer rogue is she can't flank with a bow.
The great thing about snipers is that they can shoot people from great distances. Now this distance gets cut down when you're talking about a bow as opposed to a gun, but the principle is the same. The DC for Perception checks increases with distance. So the farther away you are, the harder you are to detect when using Stealth. So the concept seems feasible.
The Blog today was nice.Crud, I missed yesterdays blog. If someone could find and link it for me I'd be grateful.
TAD, you just have to go to today's blog and scroll down. They just stack new blogs above the old ones.
Shhhh!
The great thing about snipers is that they can shoot people from great distances. Now this distance gets cut down when you're talking about a bow as opposed to a gun, but the principle is the same. The DC for Perception checks increases with distance. So the farther away you are, the harder you are to detect when using Stealth. So the concept seems feasible.
Building an archer rogue just on fireing your range weapon from a very long distance sounds like building your character on a very circumstantial situation. The majority of fights will be close up.
Basing a class on somthing very circumstantial is never a good ting....smells a bit like the splat books classes from WotC.Another thing that got me worried was the promise of new splat books.
Ultimate Magic and then they indicate that someting for the non spell casting classes would follow. So where is it going to end?
They promissed the wouldn't go splats books on us just like WotC, but where will it indeed end? Something for archers and then something for melee charachters and then something for xxx?
I don't mind new books based on campaign settings, let's say a book based on an Asian theme, but this? I sure hope they won't go WoTC on us.
Meh...if it doesn't work for players, it works for me as DM. Sniper rogues would be great for ambushes, especially with races that have 120ft darkvision, or dealing with stupid surfacers carrying torches.
I'm not looking at these as splatbooks. They're large, comprehensive, hardbound books that are building on the existing ruleset rather than adding new rules to the mix. New combat maneuvers utilize the standard CMB/CMD mechanic and are easy to pick up. And if you don't want it, then don't buy it. The game only gets as rules-heavy as you want it.
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Another thing that got me worried was the promise of new splat books.
Ultimate Magic and then they indicate that someting for the non spell casting classes would follow. So where is it going to end?
They promissed the wouldn't go splats books on us just like WotC, but where will it indeed end? Something for archers and then something for melee charachters and then something for xxx?
I don't mind new books based on campaign settings, let's say a book based on an Asian theme, but this? I sure hope they won't go WoTC on us.
I can understand your concern. The Pathfinder RPG line consists primarily of three to four hardcover books a year, one of which is usually a Bestiary. In general, it's a good bet that one of these books will be aimed primarily at GM interest and the other will be player focused.
The archetype idea that we introduce in the Advanced Player's Guide gives us a good opportunity to create something like a ninja or a spelless ranger without having to create a completely new class.
Our current thinking is that, with the addition of the "holy grail" fighter/magic user base class we're calling the magus, we've pretty much sewn up all of the core concepts that most players want to play.
I can see adding lots of additional classes for an optional subsystem book like, say, psionics. We've not done too much serious discussion about how "Pathfinder psionics" might work, but I can imagine a scenario in which it might involve a small handful of new base classes specifically tailored to that type of subsystem. I'd expect one book to hold the complete system--all the classes, items, "spells", and other stuff you'd need to incorporate this into your campaign.
But if you don't want "Pathfinder psionics," whatever. You can simply skip the book without too many consequences if some later book catches your interest.
Again, we're doing three to four books a year, one of which is a monster book. We don't have patience for eternal rules bloat either, and we're trying to be as careful as we possibly can.
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I can see adding lots of additional classes for an optional subsystem book like, say, psionics. We've not done too much serious discussion about how "Pathfinder psionics" might work, but I can imagine a scenario in which it might involve a small handful of new base classes specifically tailored to that type of subsystem. I'd expect one book to hold the complete system--all the classes, items, "spells", and other stuff you'd need to incorporate this into your campaign.
I can appreciate that approach. If once all the core assumptions are done and all you focus on is making books that expand the rules optionally I don't see how that would cause rules bloat. From past conversations this thought process has been what's really kept me onboard, outside of Paizo's awesome work in general, knowing that the majority of the books will soon be optional if not already presented that way.
There's nothing that says the APG will be required if one thinks about it. Psionics as stated will be optional. Even talk about Epic indicates it will be an optional book if not also capable of being stand alone. Keep that trend up and I won't have a problem, outside of being obsessive in wanting every hardback you put out. ;-)
I use to buy every WotC book that came out. Now I buy every Paizo hardback that comes out.
Another thing that got me worried was the promise of new splat books.
Ultimate Magic and then they indicate that someting for the non spell casting classes would follow. So where is it going to end?I can understand your concern. The Pathfinder RPG line consists primarily of three to four hardcover books a year, one of which is usually a Bestiary. In general, it's a good bet that one of these books will be aimed primarily at GM interest and the other will be player focused.
I can't help but feel very similar to Zark. I feel this is too much to assimilate for anyone not dedicated 40+ hours per week to it, and I come pretty close to that mark. I have already decided to secret away the APG for a year after it comes out.
I realize I am probably toward a far end of the "give me more options" spectrum, but every 2nd, 3rd, 4th new rulebook in a year has very low utility for me.
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Again, we're doing three to four books a year, one of which is a monster book. We don't have patience for eternal rules bloat either, and we're trying to be as careful as we possibly can
Thanks Erik for your answer. Reading your answer I feel much more at ease.
I don't mind the new archetypes in the APG or the APG. In fact I'm really excited and I'm going to get both the book and the PDF. Nor do mind the magus. I rather like the idea.What got we worried was the possibility of "eternal rules bloat" and Pathfinder ending up with stuff like WoTC Compleate books.
I wouldn't mind "Pathfinder psionics" or "Pathfinder epic book" or an "Oriental guidebook".
Why? I wouldn't need a "Pathfinder psionics" or "Pathfinder epic book".
They are separate systems and we don't need them.
If we ever play an Oriental campaign I would perhaps get the "Oriental guidebook", but I feel no need to get it now.
Nor would I mind GM books or more monster books, and perhaps an ultimate magic book might be nice, but what I would mind is "ultimate magic" followed by an "ultimate melee" book followed by an "Ultimate archer" book and then an "ultimate Divine" book, etc. You get it.
Whenever there is a need to spam the fans with new books like WotC did, a lot of stuff will get unbalanced and crappy. Not only will some stuff be too powerful, some stuff will get too lame. I'm not only talking about classes/sub classes I'm talking about feats, spells, traits, etc.
I'm not saying you plan to spam us with books like that or that you need to spam us, but I got worried.
Reading your answer made me feel better.
Meh...if it doesn't work for players, it works for me as DM. Sniper rogues would be great for ambushes, especially with races that have 120ft darkvision, or dealing with stupid surfacers carrying torches.
Good point.
I'm not looking at these as splatbooks. They're large, comprehensive, hardbound books that are building on the existing ruleset rather than adding new rules to the mix. New combat maneuvers utilize the standard CMB/CMD mechanic and are easy to pick up.
I didn't say the APG is a splatbook.
As for not "adding new rules to the mix" that just not true. Now rogue can sneak attack someone with consealment. That's a big difference. Blur really got weaker. etc.
And if you don't want it, then don't buy it. The game only gets as rules-heavy as you want it.
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The "if you don't want it, then don't buy it" argument is not very constructive.Yes, I know I don't have to buy them. So what?
It isn't fun when you start a campain and the monsters and enemies got a lot of new feats, spells, ablities that been around for a year, but you have no idea because you didn't get all the books. Nor is it fun when you notice you can't plan ahead because some rules have changed.
Yes, I know I don't have to buy them, but that's not the point. I just don't want Paizo to end up like WotC, but reading Eriks answer I feel more at ease.
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The "if you don't want it, then don't buy it" argument is just as polite as giving someone the finger. Yes, I know I don't have to buy them. So what. Should I shut up?
Also it isn't fun when you start a campain and the monsters and enemies got a lot of new feats, spells, ablities that been around for a year, but you have no idea because you didn't get all the books. Nor is it fun when you notice you can't plan ahead because some rules have changed.
Yes, I know I don't have to buy them, but that's not the point. I just don't want Paizo to end up like WotC, but reading Eriks answer I feel more at ease.
Your being way, way , way over defensive here. Telling someone "if you don't want it, don't buy it" is a far cry from "giving someone the finger."
Your putting words in that person's mouth, and making it look like they are attacking you. That's not cool.
Thanks for the feedback. I edited the post....again. I was actually editing the post before I noticed your post, hence edit twice.
Was there any news concerning the Rules "FAQ" in the works?
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The archetype idea that we introduce in the Advanced Player's Guide gives us a good opportunity to create something like a ninja or a spelless ranger without having to create a completely new class.
I'm really anxious to pick this book up!
And I'm REALLY interested to see the Spell-less Ranger variant ... :)
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I don't mind the new archetypes in the APG or the APG. In fact I'm really excited and I'm going to get both the book and the PDF. Nor do mind the magus. I rather like the idea.
Nor would I mind GM books or more monster books, and perhaps an ultimate magic book might be nice, but what I would mind is "ultimate magic" followed by an "ultimate melee" book followed by an "Ultimate archer" book and then an "ultimate Divine" book, etc. You get it.
If they do an Ultimate Melee I can understand it. Assuming they put Arcane and Divine both in Ultimate Magic, then warrior-types and skill monkeys can both go in Ultimate Melee.
But yeah, more than just the two is pushing it too far into the realm of rules bloat.
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Now rogue can sneak attack someone with consealment. That's a big difference. Blur really got weaker.
The new feat the rogue would need to do this is called Shadow Strike. It was my impression when Jason mentioned this at the Banquet that it would only apply to concealment created by darkness. The name of the feat makes me feel the same way and this is certainly how I would house rule it if it were otherwise.
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Speaking of juicy, congrats to having a mini of your book's primary character made! I can't make it to GenCon, which means I might have to beg one of these off of somebody who's gonna be there....anything juicy yet over there?My guess is that the juicy stuff will be announced at the banquet tonight.
The plan is to have a small amount of extras of the GenCon miniature to offer on paizo.com after the show. So you should still be able to get one.
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But yeah, more than just the two is pushing it too far into the realm of rules bloat.
The dozen or so 3.5 "Complete X" hardcovers that WOTC produced from 2004-2008 were a breathtaking example of milking the customers and bloating the rules base. (With all due respect to all those present who worked hard to contribute to those books.)
Paizo does not seem poised to repeat that (and seem to lack the bandwidth to do so if they wanted to).
OTOH at the end of the 3.5 era, WOTC distilled out from the splatbooks the Spell Compendium and Magic Item Compendium, which I'm still mining for my Pathfinder RPG campaign.
Not to mention the game has been out for a year and we are just now getting our first real rules expansion. 3.0 had 4 splat books, and 3 more rules expansions due out (OA, MotP, and PSiHb) by the end of that following year.
And 3.5 had 9 hardcovers out by the end of it's first year of exsistance.
Any idea when the stuff announced will get their own pages so we can start drooling over them officially?
I am assuming after GenCon.
Any idea when the stuff announced will get their own pages so we can start drooling over them officially?
I'm already drooling :-)
The new feat the rogue would need to do this is called Shadow Strike. It was my impression when Jason mentioned this at the Banquet that it would only apply to concealment created by darkness. The name of the feat makes me feel the same way and this is certainly how I would house rule it if it were otherwise.
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If that's true I'm cool with it.
The archetype idea that we introduce in the Advanced Player's Guide gives us a good opportunity to create something like a ninja or a spelless ranger without having to create a completely new class.
I'm really anxious to pick this book up!
And I'm REALLY interested to see the Spell-less Ranger variant ... :)
I bet it wont be as cool as the one in Kobold Quarterly
I bet it wont be as cool as the one in Kobold QuarterlyThe archetype idea that we introduce in the Advanced Player's Guide gives us a good opportunity to create something like a ninja or a spelless ranger without having to create a completely new class.
I'm really anxious to pick this book up!
And I'm REALLY interested to see the Spell-less Ranger variant ... :)
Kobold Quarterly? A pathfinder ranger? What number?
#11, page 66.I bet it wont be as cool as the one in Kobold QuarterlyKobold Quarterly? A pathfinder ranger? What number?
Thanks. Is it Phathfinder rules?
Thanks. Is it Phathfinder rules?#11, page 66.I bet it wont be as cool as the one in Kobold QuarterlyKobold Quarterly? A pathfinder ranger? What number?
yes. I like that idea (ranger talents) over spells. I would like to see more choices but I like it
yes. I like that idea (ranger talents) over spells. I would like to see more choices but I like itIn that case, you're definitely going to like the APG.
somehow that never seemed to be in doubt
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The APG has Four new Combat Maneuvers.
Dirty Trick - Which is pulling a guy's cloak over his face or something like that.
Drag - The opposite of Bull Rush, moving backwards and pulling a guy along with you.
Reposition - Moving the target without moving yourself.
Steal - It's difficult to pull off, but you can snatch items away from people in combat. Held items are off limits, but stuff like amulets or brooches (and I'm guessing sheathed weapons) will be fair game.
WONDERFUL! Drag and Reposition... I've been sorely tempted to houserule them but now I don't have to! I especially welcome Reposition because my characters have often used the 'Maneuver Foe' action in WFRP 2E, and ever since I picked up WFRP I have wondered why such a tactical option has been non-existent in 3E.
Well, given that most of the added abilities to balance out the loss of spells only function in favored terrains...
(Yes, it's Pathfinder rules.)
I bought the PFD, Thanks again. The new ranger seems too powerful and was poorly designed. But it did have some cool ideas. We just have to wait to util august 5 to get the real deal :-)
By the way, when will we see spoilers in the blog?
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Well, given that most of the added abilities to balance out the loss of spells only function in favored terrains...
(Yes, it's Pathfinder rules.)
I bought the PFD, Thanks again. The new ranger seems too powerful and was poorly designed. But it did have some cool ideas. We just have to wait to util august 5 to get the real deal :-)
By the way, when will we see spoilers in the blog?
Not to go to far astray of the topic at hand, but ... poorly designed?
Anyway, I can't wait to get this book! (see, right back on topic :)
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Well, given that most of the added abilities to balance out the loss of spells only function in favored terrains...
(Yes, it's Pathfinder rules.)
I bought the PFD, Thanks again. The new ranger seems too powerful and was poorly designed. But it did have some cool ideas. We just have to wait to util august 5 to get the real deal :-)
By the way, when will we see spoilers in the blog?
Not to go to far astray of the topic at hand, but ... poorly designed?
Anyway, I can't wait to get this book! (see, right back on topic :)
Marc, my only issue with the class is not enough options for Ranger Talents. A 20th level character would have 7 talents to choose but only 9 total options, and if you already have Low-Light Vision and don't want an animal companion to keep track of, you have even fewer options.
And I think the APG is my number one Paizo release for the year... unless Bestiary II is as awesome as it has the potential to be.