Bestiary "Dark Folk" Language


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

The Exchange

In the Bestiary, Dark Creepers and Dark Stalkers speak a language called "Dark Folk". This language does not show up in the Core Rules. Is this an oversight or deliberate? Are the Creeper/Stalkers the only creatures who enjoy an exclusive language?


If/when other types of dark folk are revealed, I imagine they'll speak this as well. Into the Darklands has a bit more info on dark folk culture and language.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
If/when other types of dark folk are revealed, I imagine they'll speak this as well. Into the Darklands has a bit more info on dark folk culture and language.

Do you think there's any reason a PC can't take Dark Folk as a language?

Scarab Sages

I've noticed another language, shadowtongue. In the CoT AP at least one non-shadow creature speaks this.

I would think that a PC has to learn the language through linguistics. It may not be in the Core Rule book because it, and other unusual languages, aren't meant to be bonus race languages for intelligent humans (can't remember if half-elf/half-orcs also get any language).


Doug Doug wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
If/when other types of dark folk are revealed, I imagine they'll speak this as well. Into the Darklands has a bit more info on dark folk culture and language.
Do you think there's any reason a PC can't take Dark Folk as a language?

They aren't dark folk? They also can't take sphinx per core rules, but it's a prereq for the Living Monolith PrC.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

The languages listed in the core rulebook are only a sampling of the languages available across all campaigns—that's why we say, "Common languages include the following" and not "The only languages you can ever learn are the following." When you take a rank in Linguistics, you can learn any language. Including more obscure ones like Shadowtongue, Dark Folk, or Necril.


James Jacobs wrote:

The languages listed in the core rulebook are only a sampling of the languages available across all campaigns—that's why we say, "Common languages include the following" and not "The only languages you can ever learn are the following." When you take a rank in Linguistics, you can learn any language (Except Druidic, which can only be learned by taking a level in Druid). Including more obscure ones like Shadowtongue, Dark Folk, or Necril.

I made an 'assumed' fix in bold, right James?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

kyrt-ryder wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

The languages listed in the core rulebook are only a sampling of the languages available across all campaigns—that's why we say, "Common languages include the following" and not "The only languages you can ever learn are the following." When you take a rank in Linguistics, you can learn any language (Except Druidic, which can only be learned by taking a level in Druid). Including more obscure ones like Shadowtongue, Dark Folk, or Necril.

I made an 'assumed' fix in bold, right James?

That's a choice each GM can make on his own. There's nothing in the Druidic language that prevents anyone from learning it, and I'd certainly let a non-druid spend a rank of Linguistics to learn the language, but if he ever spoke it to a druid and he wasn't a druid, that'd cause awkward antagonism.

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

The languages listed in the core rulebook are only a sampling of the languages available across all campaigns—that's why we say, "Common languages include the following" and not "The only languages you can ever learn are the following." When you take a rank in Linguistics, you can learn any language (Except Druidic, which can only be learned by taking a level in Druid). Including more obscure ones like Shadowtongue, Dark Folk, or Necril.

I made an 'assumed' fix in bold, right James?
That's a choice each GM can make on his own. There's nothing in the Druidic language that prevents anyone from learning it, and I'd certainly let a non-druid spend a rank of Linguistics to learn the language, but if he ever spoke it to a druid and he wasn't a druid, that'd cause awkward antagonism.

I'd make them find someone willing to teach them, personally. And that would be hard to say the least.


James Jacobs wrote:
kyrt-ryder wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

The languages listed in the core rulebook are only a sampling of the languages available across all campaigns—that's why we say, "Common languages include the following" and not "The only languages you can ever learn are the following." When you take a rank in Linguistics, you can learn any language (Except Druidic, which can only be learned by taking a level in Druid). Including more obscure ones like Shadowtongue, Dark Folk, or Necril.

I made an 'assumed' fix in bold, right James?
That's a choice each GM can make on his own. There's nothing in the Druidic language that prevents anyone from learning it, and I'd certainly let a non-druid spend a rank of Linguistics to learn the language, but if he ever spoke it to a druid and he wasn't a druid, that'd cause awkward antagonism.

Huh, interesting. That opens up some doorways with 3.5 material. Thanks for the quick reply.


Is there a list of all the Pathfinder languages to date?

Grand Lodge

About Druidic, it's important to note that Jacobs said "each (DM) can (choose) on his own."

Unlike Jacobs, I'd never let a non-Druid be able to comprehend Druidic -- stemming from all my years thinking that it was never an option.

In fact, for my own concept of Druidic -- being the language of Mother Nature -- if a Druid ceases to be a Druid, he or she loses the ability to communicate with and comprehend the language. But it's not like other languages where one can get directions to the Inn or explain that the Queen is corrupt or other "mundane" discourse. So it doesn't really affect the game that way -- 2 Druids couldn't really have a private conversation in front of other characters, at least, not about game-important stuff.

I think this is just another cool example of where different DMs have always done the same thing a bit differently.

Grand Lodge

I've lumped Dark Creepers & Stalkers, Skulks and even Shadar Kai together as being in the same racial sub-category -- and having the same root language.

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