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I keep hearing references to how earth glide doesn't allow an earth elemental to go through worked stone. Can someone give me a reference for this?
I only am aware of three references.
Earth Glide (Ex) A burrowing earth elemental can pass through stone, dirt, or almost any other sort of earth except metal as easily as a fish swims through water. If protected against fire damage, it can even glide through lava. Its burrowing leaves behind no tunnel or hole, nor does it create any ripple or other sign of its presence. A move earth spell cast on an area containing a burrowing earth elemental flings the elemental back 30 feet, stunning the creature for 1 round unless it succeeds on a DC 15 Fortitude save.
Earth Glide (Ex) A xorn can glide through any sort of natural earth or stone as easily as a fish swims through water. Its burrowing leaves no sign of its passage nor hint at its presence to creatures that don’t possess tremorsense. A move earth spell cast on an area containing a xorn moves the xorn back 30 feet, stunning the creature for 1 round unless it succeeds on a DC 15 Fortitude save.
Earth Glide (Su) You can pass through stone, dirt, or almost any other sort of earth except worked stone and metal as easily as a fish swims through water. If protected against fire damage, you can even glide through lava. You glide at your base land speed. While gliding, you breathe stone as if it were air (you do not need to hold your breath). Your burrowing leaves behind no tunnel or hole, nor does it create any ripple or sign of your presence. A move earth spell cast on an area where you are flings you back 30 feet, stunning you for 1 round unless you succeed on a DC 15 Fortitude save. Activating this ability is a free action. You can glide for 1 minute per day per oracle level. This duration does not need to be consecutive, but it must be spent in 1 minute increments. You must be at least 7th level before selecting this revelation. You can bring other creatures with you when you glide, but each passenger costs an additional minute per minute of travel.
Note that the xorn's version specifically restricts the ability to natural stone and earth, and the Oracle's version specifically restricts worked stone and metal, while the earth elemental version does neither of these things. So where's the commonly assumed restriction come from?

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If anyone has a specific reference that would help me; it has been a bit of a pain having the Druid move around the dungeon and popping his head in; on 5 foot stepping back into a wall.
i thought of this to do, but recently ran into a room with green slime on floor, that would hurt. if go back into wall than still being ate, if stop to clean than bad guys swarm you. scouting is dangerous

gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |

So I'm thinking that there isn't any such restriction, and people just assume there is.
So in terms of most castle walls; since they're made of stone, there's really no reason a druid couldn't assume earth elemental form and glide right through, I would think. After all, most castle walls are constructed of an outer layer of stone with an inner layer of earth and loose stone as fill.
Looks like in order to keep those pesky druids out, you either have to embed metal in your wall or a layer of wood for the elemental to bounce off of.

threemilechild |

Looks like in order to keep those pesky druids out, you either have to embed metal in your wall or a layer of wood for the elemental to bounce off of.
Hang tapestries. Not all of them must be mimics, trapped, or animated, but there's nothing so frightening as inanimate objects. At the very least, a castle decorated with the knowledge of elementals and druids could have lots of hanging curtains (on the walls) with bells, as a sort of mundane alarm system.
This doesn't forbid druids from using their abilities wisely, but keeps it from being an automatic win. And some very important rooms WOULD be protected by multiple layers of different materials -- I could see D&D-world safes made of laminated wood, stone, and of course lead.

Father Dale |

I think its a pretty safe assumption that any created area intended to be secure (such as a vault, and many rooms in a palace) would be lined with lead, as its a relatively cheap method of preventing certain magical intrusions. This would have the not-necessarily-intended result of keeping out earth elementals and wildshaped druids, although the primary purpose would be to prevent low level divination spells from gaining information in the protected areas.

wraithstrike |

No the target can not be pulled into the stone. The earth elemental can only go through stone because it has the natural ability to do so.
When I say "worked" stone I mean impure stone.
If the others just mean stone that has been chiseled with hammer then I think the elemental should be able to still go through it.