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Would an Earth Elemental with Earth Glide allow a Wild Shaped Druid to Grapple a target and pull that target into the wall or floor? The conconsensus of our group is "No" that the target does not temporarily gain the Earth Glide as a result of being Grappled by the Earth Elemental.


Just realized there is potentially an Option 4...

They don't stack, but can be taken in the other stat. Therefore if one goes up in either Multitalented Favored Class, they can take a +1 Skill Point or +1 Hit Point, but when they apply the Favored Class bonus on cannot take the same bonus - You can only take +1 Skill Point AND +1 Hit Point ONCE per level. Therefore, in my case of my Half-Elf Inquisitor/Fighter combo, I can take a +1 Skill Point for Multitalented and +1 Hit Point for Favored Class bonus, or vise verse, as long as I am leveling in one of the two Favored Classes. However, this would be retroactive if I take a Third Class later on along with Multitalented Mastery. Multitalented Mastery is what unbalances this scenario, and blows it out of the water.


I understand where you're coming from, but there are some pretty powerful Traits available that rival Feats or even grant a Feat... Equally there are some Feats out there that are nerfed to rival a minor Trait.

My interpretation has nothing to do with reading things wrong and I don't think it blows anything out of the water, and that's why I posted to get clarification from someone in the know at Paizo. I'm sure there are others out that that have run into the same interpretation conflict who have deferred to a GM Ruling rather than getting the publisher to clarify the intent.

Cheers!


Rolling up a Half-Elf Inquisitor, and it struck me that there is no definitive answer in the books or errata (or on this site that I can find) that explicitly states "officially" whether or not the Half-Elf Multitalented trait stacks with or replaces the standard Favored Class bonuses.

Multitalented
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/coreRaces/halfElves.ht ml#_multitalented

Multitalented Mastery (also affected)
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/coreRaces/halfElves.ht ml#_multitalented-mastery

Favored Class
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes.html#_favored-class

This is an unforeseen Min/Max scenario that would make Half-Elves A LOT more appealing for Multiclassed characters.

Example in my case:
Half-Elf Inquisitor, I am declaring my Multitalented Favored Classes are Inquisitor and Fighter, allowing me to take a +1 Skill Point or +1 Hit Point whenever I go up in either class. Then there is the standard +1 Skill Point or +1 Hit Point that everyone gets for Favored Class as a separate item, which is how the current rules read. They way I read it, they partially Stack! Therefore, I can take the Base Inquisitor 6 + IntMod(+2) plus Multitalented (+1 Skill Point) plus Favored Class (+1 Skill point AGAIN) for a total of 10 Skill Points at First Level! There are 3 interpretations, but none are explicitly stated:

1) Multitalented REPLACES the standard Favored Class Bonus, making this whole argument moot... At First Level I get Base Inquisitor 6 + IntMod(+2) plus Multitalented (+1 Skill Point) for total of 9 Skill Points, and at Second Level I only get Base Fighter 2 plus IntMod(+2) plus Multitalented (+1 Skill Point) for a total of 5 Skill Points.

2) They do stack, but only when advancing the FIRST Favored Class taken at First Level where the standard Favored Class bonus applies to your First Favored Class taken at Level 1. This is how I believe these are intended to work together, so if/when I advance in my Second Favored Class (Fighter), I CANNOT take the standard Favored Class Bonus - Only the Multitalented bonus. Therefore taking Second Level Fighter, I can take the Base Fighter 2 plus IntMod(+2) plus Multitalented (+1 Skill Point) for a mere Total of 5 Skill Points at Second Level. Which in my opinion, especially in this combination, puts more favor on my wanting to level in my First Favored Class.

3) They do stack cumulatively with BOTH Favored Classes for those that are Multitalented. Therefore, taking Second Level Fighter, I get the Base Fighter 2 plus IntMod(+2) plus Multitalented (+1 Skill Point) plus Favored Class (+1 Skill point AGAIN) for a total of 6 Skill Points at Second Level.

If later on I decide to take a level or two in Cleric AND take Multitalented Mastery at any point, the retroactive bonus of scenarios 2 & 3 would apply as well for the Cleric levels taken.

I understand the easiest solution is that option 1 is the answer, but I believe the Fairest solution is Options 2 or 3 since everyone gets this bonus with their Favored Class; therefore, bolstering the attractiveness of Half-Elf without significantly unbalancing the Race.

I look forward to an official verdict and errata from Paizo's developers.

Thank you...