I just when to know a thing, when you use a repeating crossbow, can you fire multiple bows during a round? Or how do we use it?
I think you mean bolts. Yes and no. Repeating crossbows have a case on them where the bolts are stored. To reload a crossbow if there are bolts in the case is a free actionm meaning that if your BAB is high enough you can attack up to three times in a round. If you have certain feats (rapid reload, crossbow mastery) then you can fire as many shots as you would with a bow, assuming there are bolts in the case.
If that was frustrating then i'll give an example with a repeating heavy crossbow that has 4 bolts in its case
WITH NO CROSSBOW FEATS:
1.A 6 level fighter (BAB +6) can make up to two attacks
2.A 11 level fighter (BAB +11) can make up to three attacks
3.A 16 level fighter (BAB +16) can make up to three attacks
WITH CROSSBOW FEATS
1.A 6 level fighter (BAB +6) can make up to two attacks
2.A 11 level fighter (BAB +11) can make up to three attacks
3.A 16 level fighter (BAB +16) can make up to four attacks
Thats how it works. I think there is no mistakes here but there is always a chance i'm wrong. I'll check it later on pathfindersrd/faq
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I think you mean bolts. Yes and no. Repeating crossbows have a case on them where the bolts are stored. To reload a crossbow if there are bolts in the case is a free actionm meaning that if your BAB is high enough you can attack up to three times in a round. If you have certain feats (rapid reload, crossbow mastery) then you can fire as many shots as you would with a bow, assuming there are bolts in the case.
If that was frustrating then i'll give an example with a repeating heavy crossbow that has 4 bolts in its case
WITH NO CROSSBOW FEATS:
1.A 6 level fighter (BAB +6) can make up to two attacks
2.A 11 level fighter (BAB +11) can make up to three attacks
3.A 16 level fighter (BAB +16) can make up to three attacksWITH CROSSBOW FEATS
1.A 6 level fighter (BAB +6) can make up to two attacks
2.A 11 level fighter (BAB +11) can make up to three attacks
3.A 16 level fighter (BAB +16) can make up to four attacksThats how it works. I think there is no mistakes here but there is always a chance i'm wrong. I'll check it later on pathfindersrd/faq
Out of curiosity, why are you limiting it to 3 attacks?
Just like a fighter with a BAB of 16 could get 4 attacks (5 with rapid-shot feat) with a bow, a fighter with a BAB of 16 could get 4 attacks with a repeating crossbow as long as it had enough bolts in it (baring it didn't have like 3 or 2 or 1 bolt remaining).I think you may be over-complicating, but again i may be oversimplifying it.
Now let me explain why limit to 3 attacks. Note the the limit is for characters that DONT have crossbow feats.
Reloading a repeating crossbow is a free action.To make all of your attacks you need full-attack action. Also when using full-attack action you can make a free action (1) and a swift action, but a swift action by the rules needs a little more effort than free action, but as with all actions in can be turned into the smaller one. So you can make your swift action free action (2)
To take everything into account in one round you can use the full-attack action and 2 free actions(which you will use to reload the crossbow).This is the reason its limited to 3 attacks per round if youd DONT have crossbow feats.
Actually, you're limited to 1 swift action a round, but the number of free actions is just limited to your individual GM interpretation. There is no hard set limit on number of free actions per round, but the books lists it as one or more per round.
The main advantage to the repeating crossbows, that I can see, is to allow a user to get a full round attack when the clip is loaded. You have to take a full round (normally) to reload it after firing the clip though.
Crossbow, Repeating
The repeating crossbow (whether heavy or light) holds 5 crossbow bolts. As long as it holds bolts, you can reload it by pulling the reloading lever (a free action). Loading a new case of 5 bolts is a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity.
You can fire a repeating crossbow with one hand or fire a repeating crossbow in each hand in the same manner as you would a normal crossbow of the same size. However, you must fire the weapon with two hands in order to use the reloading lever, and you must use two hands to load a new case of bolts.
In other words that means exactly what i said before assuming there is only one free action per round
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The repeating crossbow holds 5 bolts. A character with four attacks, wielding the crossbow in two hands, can use the reloading bolt as a free action. Since a character gets any number of free actions *as many as the dm will allow*, the limiting factor on attacks would be five shots.
Once you've taken your shots, you can either take the action to load a new case of bolts, or drop it and move on.
I would put using the reloading lever (free action) into the same bucket as drawing an arrow from a quiver (free action). As long as there are enough bolts in the repeating crossbow you can get all possible attacks a round just like you can with a bow... if there are enough arrows in your quiver.
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Crossbow, Repeating
The repeating crossbow (whether heavy or light) holds 5 crossbow bolts. As long as it holds bolts, you can reload it by pulling the reloading lever (a free action). Loading a new case of 5 bolts is a full-round action that provokes attacks of opportunity.
You can fire a repeating crossbow with one hand or fire a repeating crossbow in each hand in the same manner as you would a normal crossbow of the same size. However, you must fire the weapon with two hands in order to use the reloading lever, and you must use two hands to load a new case of bolts.
In other words that means exactly what i said before assuming there is only one free action per round
by this logic, a person with a 16 BAB could only get 3 attacks with a bow which just isn't true.
no thats only for crossbows. just read the crossbow feats and repeating crossbows description. i've nothing more to say , and i might as well be wrong (not the first time).
In our games we use a free action, a swift action, a move action and a standard action
no thats only for crossbows. just read the feats' description i've nothing more to say
Pathfinder PRD wrote:
When using a bow, a character can draw ammunition as a free action
So, in other words, if you limit free actions to 1 per round for some reason, then you can't attack more times with a bow than you can with a crossbow with the Rapid Reload feat.
Free actions are, as the word states, free. There is no limit to the number of free actions you can take in a turn other than what your GM deems plausible.
what i said is wrong for repeating but correct for normal crossbows? i've confused myself
what i said is wrong for repeating but correct for normal crossbows? i've confused myself
Well, normal crossbows need rapid reload to get free action loading (for a light crossbow). So for repeating crossbows you can fire at your full BAB provided the magazine has enough bolts in it for it, and for a light crossbow (or hand crossbow) with the rapid reload feat, you can fire at full BAB. With a bow you can always fire at full BAB.