Concise list of changes from 3.5 to PRPG? A link, please?


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I've considered just going over the books very carefully, line by line, but if someone has already done this, I would be so grateful to see it.

I'm tired of embarrassing and second-guessing myself about the tiny little changes.

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Paizo already made one.

Paizo.com is quite searchable.


The Conversion Guide doesn't have a concise list of changes. It gives a general idea of what has changed, but doesn't list all the little things. It's a great start though.


GeraintElberion wrote:

Paizo already made one.

Paizo.com is quite searchable.

Yep, aware of these things, thanks though.

I would still prefer a line-by-line comparison, if such exists, or maybe I should just make my own.

Sovereign Court

No one has done something like that.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

A line-by-line comparison would be a MASSIVE undertaking. I suspect no one's done something like that yet because it's too daunting, and the resulting file would probably be hundreds of thousands of words in size.


James Jacobs wrote:
A line-by-line comparison would be a MASSIVE undertaking. I suspect no one's done something like that yet because it's too daunting, and the resulting file would probably be hundreds of thousands of words in size.

I dunno. Might be able to take the text from both and run a "diff" on them.

It'd be a big long text file, but nothing most of us couldn't handle.


James Jacobs wrote:
A line-by-line comparison would be a MASSIVE undertaking. I suspect no one's done something like that yet because it's too daunting, and the resulting file would probably be hundreds of thousands of words in size.

Thanks for replying, I suspected as much.

Maybe something slightly less ambitious I could attempt would be looking over the rules line-by-line and just sorting skill-uses, feats, combat actions and spells into one of 4 categories:

Unchanged
Removed
New
Altered

I guess the phrase "line-by-line" is not really what I'm actually looking for. Such a document would be as long as all the books put together. Just knowing specifically which things have changed and which haven't is all I need. The "how" I can look up as needed.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Evil Lincoln wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
A line-by-line comparison would be a MASSIVE undertaking. I suspect no one's done something like that yet because it's too daunting, and the resulting file would probably be hundreds of thousands of words in size.

I dunno. Might be able to take the text from both and run a "diff" on them.

It'd be a big long text file, but nothing most of us couldn't handle.

It's been requested enough then that I guess I'm a little surprised someone hasn't tried it yet then.

It's not something I would ever want to do, though.


James Jacobs wrote:

It's been requested enough then that I guess I'm a little surprised someone hasn't tried it yet then.

It's not something I would ever want to do, though.

Of course not. What good would it do you?

This kind of document would really only serve detail-obsessed players who were thinking about making the switch, but want to know everything that changed. Since you were involved in making the changes, I understand it would have little appeal.

Still, I feel for the people who are still rolling 3.5 but for the knowledge of what changed. I might scrape up the time to do this.


Evil Lincoln wrote:
This kind of document would really only serve detail-obsessed players who were thinking about making the switch, but want to know everything that changed.

It also serves very-experienced 3.5E veterans who keep being surprised by unexpected rules changes. Being able to just read a document that lists what's changed and what hasn't would be great.


Evil Lincoln wrote:
Still, I feel for the people who are still rolling 3.5 but for the knowledge of what changed. I might scrape up the time to do this.

If you are serious, I'm willing to split the job with you. :)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

If you're thinking about this, be warned that we made *way* more changes than even an expert 3.5 GM would probably suspect. (I bet that most spells changed at least one word here or there, for example.)


Vic Wertz wrote:
If you're thinking about this, be warned that we made *way* more changes than even an expert 3.5 GM would probably suspect. (I bet that most spells changed at least one word here or there, for example.)

Personally, I was just thinking of classifying each spell, feat, etc. with one of four words "Changed, Unchanged, Removed, Added".

If the wording is just slightly different, but the rule is effectively the same, just worded a little better, I would call that "Unchanged."

I can easily see how trying to actually analyze every last comma and participle would require locking myself away in some kind of RPG monastery.

I have to admit, though, that the Technical Director warning me off is a little unnerving.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Kelso wrote:
If the wording is just slightly different, but the rule is effectively the same, just worded a little better, I would call that "Unchanged."

In some cases, we have one-word changes that subtly—and intentionally—change things, but you might have to seriously think about the impact of changing that word for a couple of minutes before you realize that it's not just cosmetic.

(I wish I could think of examples, but that's exactly the kind of thing that I try to dump out of my brain after an editing project.)

I suppose you could away try it—say, starting with Spells—and if you aren't resenting your entire life by the time you get to fireball, then good for you!


Vic Wertz wrote:
I suppose you could away try it—say, starting with Spells—and if you aren't resenting your entire life by the time you get to fireball, then good for you!

Actually, I sort of had, a few months ago. Not necessarily for this reason. I was rewriting a D20 SRD Excel Spreadsheet of all spells to make my own PRPG spell spreadsheet. I imagine this document already exists somewhere, but I'm never happy with the abbreviated descriptions at the end.

I think got to somewhere in the E's as a matter of fact.

I haven't given up though. I've been taking a break to work on a Character Sheet Excel program. I think I have the stuff to finish. I wrote a Complete Psionics spreadsheet from scratch. I always have a project like this going. There's no reason this couldn't be my next one.

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