Hey
I am just going in detail through my Campaign Setting book and I have some questions:
1) Is there a map somewhere of whole of Golarion, not only the Inner Sea part?
2) Will there be expansions on the Campaign Setting, with the other continents discussed in it, in detail? I'm very interested about those.
Hey
I am just going in detail through my Campaign Setting book and I have some questions:
1) Is there a map somewhere of whole of Golarion, not only the Inner Sea part?
2) Will there be expansions on the Campaign Setting, with the other continents discussed in it, in detail? I'm very interested about those.
1.) No, not yet.
2.) Quite likely, given that they're updating the Campaign Setting and calling it specifically "The Inner Sea". :D
This thread contains this map. It's fan content, but I'm using it as official until they give me something better. VagrantPoet did a damn good job with this one.
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1) Is there a map somewhere of whole of Golarion, not only the Inner Sea part?
There will be in the upcoming "World Guide: The Inner Sea."
2) Will there be expansions on the Campaign Setting, with the other continents discussed in it, in detail? I'm very interested about those.
Yes. We'll eventually start detailing areas beyond the Inner Sea region... as soon as in Pathfinder AP #33, where we provide a map and gazetteer of Iobaria, which is just east of Brevoy and the River Kingdoms. We'll be expanding further in the future.
@ Evil Lincoln: Thank you. The map is quite impressive indeed.
@ James Jacobs: Will the 'World Guide: The Inner Sea' contain new stuff that is not in the Campaign Setting, or should I better not invest, and wait until other 'World Guides' come out?
Not that I would not buy it, I buy everything of PF, even the small modules I actually do not use... but the World Guide and Campaign Guide seem rather similar.
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@ James Jacobs: Will the 'World Guide: The Inner Sea' contain new stuff that is not in the Campaign Setting, or should I better not invest, and wait until other 'World Guides' come out?
"World Guide: The Inner Sea" is a revision of the current 256 page hardcover for Golarion, currently titled the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting. "World Guide: The Inner Sea" expands the page count to 320 pages, adds more crunch options, presents EVERY nation/region as a four page entry, and updates all the rules to the PFRPG, in addition to doing some more stuff. It'll contain a LOT of stuff that's not in the current Campaign Setting; it's got 64 new pages, after all, and a lot of old pages in the current hardcover are no longer necessary to support the new game. We're picking up a fair amount of content from other books we've done, but there's going to be about 50,000 new words in all.
Further World Guides will likely focus on entirely different parts of the world or Campaign Setting than the Inner Sea region of Avistan and northern Garund.
Ok that does sound nice. Thanks for the speedy answers.
A map per nation and four pages sold me on a revised CS to be honest.
"World Guide: The Inner Sea" is a revision of the current 256 page hardcover for Golarion, currently titled the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting. "World Guide: The Inner Sea" expands the page count to 320 pages, adds more crunch options, presents EVERY nation/region as a four page entry, and updates all the rules to the PFRPG, in addition to doing some more stuff. It'll contain a LOT of stuff that's not in the current Campaign Setting; it's got 64 new pages, after all, and a lot of old pages in the current hardcover are no longer necessary to support the new game. We're picking up a fair amount of content from other books we've done, but there's going to be about 50,000 new words in all.
@James: Will you be reiterating the information on the gods of Golarion, or does the Gods & Magic supplement carry that load now?
EDIT: Ah, nevermind, found the answer in the product description. (Of all places.)
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"World Guide: The Inner Sea" is a revision of the current 256 page hardcover for Golarion, currently titled the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting. "World Guide: The Inner Sea" expands the page count to 320 pages, adds more crunch options, presents EVERY nation/region as a four page entry, and updates all the rules to the PFRPG, in addition to doing some more stuff. It'll contain a LOT of stuff that's not in the current Campaign Setting; it's got 64 new pages, after all, and a lot of old pages in the current hardcover are no longer necessary to support the new game. We're picking up a fair amount of content from other books we've done, but there's going to be about 50,000 new words in all.@James: Will you be reiterating the information on the gods of Golarion, or does the Gods & Magic supplement carry that load now?
EDIT: Ah, nevermind, found the answer in the product description. (Of all places.)
Yeah; the deity section in this book is actually probably going to be the LEAST different looking from the original book. At least as far as specific info on the gods and demigods.
This thread contains this map. It's fan content, but I'm using it as official until they give me something better. VagrantPoet did a damn good job with this one.
Thank you! :D
I found it nice that I got the position of Iobaria fairly right, though the Castrovin Sea is a bit further north and west than in the dolori map.
Then again, Erik Mona gave me great tips, and loads of Casmaron stuff, like the vague location of Iblydos, etc. So Casmaron should be the closest to accurate of all of the continents on that map.
@James: Will the south hemisphere be making an appearance on the world map of Golarion? Will we see some more of Garund?
Does this mean that we might see a World Guide: South Garund or something similar in the future?!?
@James: Will the south hemisphere be making an appearance on the world map of Golarion? Will we see some more of Garund?Absolutely.
In fact, I suspect that a lot of Casmaron and Tian Xia will extend into the southern hemisphere.
Excellent! I can't wait to see this map! Is it being done by Rob Lazaretti?
@ James Jacobs: Will the 'World Guide: The Inner Sea' contain new stuff that is not in the Campaign Setting, or should I better not invest, and wait until other 'World Guides' come out?"World Guide: The Inner Sea" is a revision of the current 256 page hardcover for Golarion, currently titled the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting. "World Guide: The Inner Sea" expands the page count to 320 pages, adds more crunch options, presents EVERY nation/region as a four page entry, and updates all the rules to the PFRPG, in addition to doing some more stuff. It'll contain a LOT of stuff that's not in the current Campaign Setting; it's got 64 new pages, after all, and a lot of old pages in the current hardcover are no longer necessary to support the new game. We're picking up a fair amount of content from other books we've done, but there's going to be about 50,000 new words in all.
Further World Guides will likely focus on entirely different parts of the world or Campaign Setting than the Inner Sea region of Avistan and northern Garund.
Sounds like its more than worth the buy even if I have the old version
But you had me at world map
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Excellent! I can't wait to see this map! Is it being done by Rob Lazaretti?@James: Will the south hemisphere be making an appearance on the world map of Golarion? Will we see some more of Garund?Absolutely.
In fact, I suspect that a lot of Casmaron and Tian Xia will extend into the southern hemisphere.
It hasn't been created yet, therefore hasn't been sent to a cartographer yet. Ask again in a month. :)
Does this mean that we might see a World Guide: South Garund or something similar in the future?!?Possibly, although I actually think South Garund is pretty low on the to-do list for "other continents."
what continents are on the to-do list?
That's still a secret.what continents are on the to-do list?Does this mean that we might see a World Guide: South Garund or something similar in the future?!?Possibly, although I actually think South Garund is pretty low on the to-do list for "other continents."
drats!
Does this mean that we might see a World Guide: South Garund or something similar in the future?!?Possibly, although I actually think South Garund is pretty low on the to-do list for "other continents."
Which kinda makes it (Garund) even more of an Africa-equivalent. :(
Oh, my list for the three areas of Golarion I want to see next:
1. Vudra. Because early Indian mythology is cooool.
2. Casmaron. Because it's basically right next door.
3. Southern Garund. Because I've not seen anything done on an Africa-like area in RPGs (I missed Nyambe).
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Which kinda makes it (Garund) even more of an Africa-equivalent. :(
Oh, my list for the three areas of Golarion I want to see next:
1. Vudra. Because early Indian mythology is cooool.
2. Casmaron. Because it's basically right next door.
3. Southern Garund. Because I've not seen anything done on an Africa-like area in RPGs (I missed Nyambe).
I understand the sentiment, but it's worth pointing out that we're NOT ignoring African areas or mythologies in Golarion because we DO have Garund as part of the Inner Sea region. In fact, we're setting an entire Adventure Path there. The Serpent's Skull Adventure Path is going to have a LOT of African themes and mythos to it.
Frankly, the more southern you get on Garund, the less it looks and feels like Africa because it gets pretty high-fantasy/high-magic even further south.
Frankly, the more southern you get on Garund, the less it looks and feels like Africa because it gets pretty high-fantasy/high-magic even further south.
Ooo. Interesting, I did not think that was the case!
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Frankly, the more southern you get on Garund, the less it looks and feels like Africa because it gets pretty high-fantasy/high-magic even further south.Ooo. Interesting, I did not think that was the case!
Yup; just look at the various nations, from north to south. With SOME exceptions, the further south you go, the more high-magic you get. While the further north you go, the more traditional fantasy you get.
Of course, there are exceptions, but the general rule in the Inner Sea is that the further south you are, the more high-fantasy things get.
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Frankly, the more southern you get on Garund, the less it looks and feels like Africa because it gets pretty high-fantasy/high-magic even further south.Ooo. Interesting, I did not think that was the case!Yup; just look at the various nations, from north to south. With SOME exceptions, the further south you go, the more high-magic you get. While the further north you go, the more traditional fantasy you get.
Of course, there are exceptions, but the general rule in the Inner Sea is that the further south you are, the more high-fantasy things get.
Shouldn't Alkenstar be at the North Pole, then? ;)
Alkensta is an exception and is why it is Because of high magic, not the lack there of
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Alkenstar and the Mana Wastes are magic dead... but that's actually not low-magic. That's pretty exotic, and they're placed where they are BECAUSE of that exotic nature.
A better example would have been to call out Numeria—it has a lot of highly advanced technology (which for the purposes of this game is indistinguishable and identical to high magic), yet it's pretty far north.
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I've been curious about southern Garund ever since Erik Mona said "things get wilder and more fantastic the further south you go".
I wonder: It's safe to assume that the human population of southern Garund is composed mostly of Garundi and the various Mwangi peoples, right? Might there any other ethnicities hidden away down there we've yet to see?
Kind of like how the Shoanti are pretty much almost exclusively found around Varisia?
O.K., I gotta know... Where does Golarion's equator fall on Garund?
Thuvia? The Mwangi Expanse? Sargava?
The bottom of the Gazetteer map!?
Below the bottom of the Gazetteer map!!?
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O.K., I gotta know... Where does Golarion's equator fall on Garund?
Thuvia? The Mwangi Expanse? Sargava?
The bottom of the Gazetteer map!?
Below the bottom of the Gazetteer map!!?
I'm willing to bet it cuts through Osirion, Thuvia, and Rahadoum, given their canon status as the @#$%ING HOT AS HELL TURN ON THE FAN places to live.
I'm willing to bet it cuts through Osirion, Thuvia, and Rahadoum, given their canon status as the @#$%ING HOT AS HELL TURN ON THE FAN places to live.
Oh, yeah... Most likely...
...But ya never know... ;)
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I'm willing to bet it cuts through Osirion, Thuvia, and Rahadoum, given their canon status as the @#$%ING HOT AS HELL TURN ON THE FAN places to live.Oh, yeah... Most likely...
...But ya never know... ;)
Yeah, looking at Earth's map, that's still some nice verdant land thereabouts.
So yeah, I'm probably wrong. :D
I believe the Golarion equivalent of the Tropic of Cancer runs through the Mana Wastes, so the Equator would be somewhere below the edge of the map as currently released. The World Guide scheduled for this fall will contain a general map of the entire planet, so we'll have a more definite image of where the tropics fall then.
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It might be interesting if the non-human have any nations of their own (big enough to show up on the map, anyway, obviously the dwarves have some towns in the Five Mountains region, but it's depicted on the Inner Seas Region map as just being the arm pit of Andoran, and not big enough to warrant a dotted line).
In the Inner Sea, thirty-one out of thirty-five countries are dominated by humans, and that's stretching the definition of 'country' to include the Worldwound (mainly 'cause it *does* have a dotted line). :)
Another elven land, or a dwarven country, or a hobgoblin nation (or even a hobgoblin city-state, or region of internally warring city-states!), could be neat.
I'm not sure I'd want to see another all-halfling country, if it's anything like Llurien, 'though...
Yeah; the equator does not show on the map of Golarion; it's a few inches south of the bottom edge of the map.
Thanks for the reply!! :D
With the equator a few inches south... and a few inches above for the Crown of the World... I've now got an inkling as to Golarion's size.
And I'm even more in love with Golarion! There's room for new material for well over a decade!
When ya'll do get around to detailing another region (and yes, I know that's at least a year away, if not two or three), which do you think you will go with?
Of course, either Garund or Casmaron would be nice, but my vote (of course) is for Tian Xia!
Which kinda makes it (Garund) even more of an Africa-equivalent. :(
I understand the sentiment, but it's worth pointing out that we're NOT ignoring African areas or mythologies in Golarion because we DO have Garund as part of the Inner Sea region. In fact, we're setting an entire Adventure Path there. The Serpent's Skull Adventure Path is going to have a LOT of African themes and mythos to it.
Frankly, the more southern you get on Garund, the less it looks and feels like Africa because it gets pretty high-fantasy/high-magic even further south.
I wasn't so much complaining about Paizo ignoring Garund as I was b~$&+ing about the whole western world ignoring Africa, so that's okay. [*shamefaced*] And now that you mention it, I remember the bit about the world getting more advanced further south.[/*shamefaced*]
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I wasn't so much complaining about Paizo ignoring Garund as I was b#&#&ing about the whole western world ignoring Africa, so that's okay. [*shamefaced*] And now that you mention it, I remember the bit about the world getting more advanced further south.[/*shamefaced*]Which kinda makes it (Garund) even more of an Africa-equivalent. :(
I understand the sentiment, but it's worth pointing out that we're NOT ignoring African areas or mythologies in Golarion because we DO have Garund as part of the Inner Sea region. In fact, we're setting an entire Adventure Path there. The Serpent's Skull Adventure Path is going to have a LOT of African themes and mythos to it.
Frankly, the more southern you get on Garund, the less it looks and feels like Africa because it gets pretty high-fantasy/high-magic even further south.
If by missed Nyambe you mean you didn't get to buy them. They are or was on sale here on paizo. I picked the books up or most of them pretty cheap in the sale. Just checked looks like there is 3 books left. Unless you mean you miss it as in just miss new stuff coming out. :)
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When ya'll do get around to detailing another region (and yes, I know that's at least a year away, if not two or three), which do you think you will go with?
Technically, we just started exploring off the map in Pathfinder AP #33; it has a map of Iobaria, which is the region east of Brevoy and the River Kingdoms.
As for where we're going next... I'm not ready to say.
When ya'll do get around to detailing another region (and yes, I know that's at least a year away, if not two or three), which do you think you will go with?Technically, we just started exploring off the map in Pathfinder AP #33; it has a map of Iobaria, which is the region east of Brevoy and the River Kingdoms.
As for where we're going next... I'm not ready to say.
Its the candy unicorn kingdom! I called it first!
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Its the candy unicorn kingdom! I called it first!When ya'll do get around to detailing another region (and yes, I know that's at least a year away, if not two or three), which do you think you will go with?Technically, we just started exploring off the map in Pathfinder AP #33; it has a map of Iobaria, which is the region east of Brevoy and the River Kingdoms.
As for where we're going next... I'm not ready to say.
Goodbye Charlie!
Goodbye what you mean goodbye?!
*sounds of combat*
ugh..... ahh! they stole my kidney!
For someone who doesn't have AP33 yet, can one of you kind folks tell me what Earth region and era Iobaria is analogous to?
Eastern Russia/North Central-Asia Frontierish, Era is hard to pin, but not more advanced than anywhere in the Inner Sea, about par with Brevoy.
For someone who doesn't have AP33 yet, can one of you kind folks tell me what Earth region and era Iobaria is analogous to?
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