Starting max hit points, where?

[ShadowDax]

I can't find it anywhere the book says you start with maximum hit points at first level. Is it there, or is that old school DnD? If it is there please post where it is, thank you.

[Paul Watson]

ShadowDax wrote:

I can't find it anywhere the book says you start with maximum hit points at first level. Is it there, or is that old school DnD? If it is there please post where it is, thank you.

It does. It's in the 'Getting Started' section, under Hit points, or the PRD here.

[cwslyclgh]

try the Hit Points (hp): paragraph on page 12.

[ShadowDax]

Thanks to both of you. Each paragraph in both sections that you all mention start off the same. It is not in the hit point section later in the book. Also, these parts I did not find in the index. Without it in the index I get sorta lost. I've read the book I just don't remember where everything is.

[Cold Napalm]

definately not oldschool. one of the worst thing you could do was roll a 1 for hp in the old days. you didn't even get bonus hp til 15 con.

[Paul Watson]

Cold Napalm wrote:

definately not oldschool. one of the worst thing you could do was roll a 1 for hp in the old days. you didn't even get bonus hp til 15 con.

Depends how old old school is. For some people 3.0 is the old school, whippersnappers though they may be.

[Gorbacz]

Old school Magic-Users with 10 HP at lvl 10. Sweet :)

[Zuxius]

Gorbacz wrote:

Old school Magic-Users with 10 HP at lvl 10. Sweet :)

Glass artillery piece.

[John Turner 736]

Hopefully those options will be in either the Advanced Players Guide or the Gamemastery Guide.

[MerrikCale]

I like Monte Cook's idea in the Book of Experimental Might of adding one's Constitution score to your starting hit points

[DM_Blake]

Gorbacz wrote:

Old school Magic-Users with 10 HP at lvl 10. Sweet :)

What's funny is back then, a lightning bolt (for example) cast by that level 10 magic user would do 10d6 HP just like it does now. Average of around 35 HP damage. The magic user probably had around 25 HP. And the biggest, deadliest dragon (ancient red dragon) in the game had 88 HP. That one spell did more than a third of the dragon's HP in one hit. Killed an equal magic user outright.

Today, that Lightning Bolt does the same average damage, but a 10th level wizard probaly has closer to 48 HP, nearly double what that old-school wizard would have probably had, but more interestingly, the biggest (red) dragon in the book now has 29d12+261 HP for around 450 HP, more or less. That will take 13 of those Lightning Bolts to kill this dragon rather than 3.

(all assuming no successful magic resistance or saves).

HP today don't mean what they used to. It's no wonder evocation is a dying art...